It is down right impossible to kill the mood around here this fine evening. So, my intended post has been shelved for the time being. I am grateful for the distraction; my mood had drifted toward the foul. I am not my usual pretty princess self. You laugh...would you prefer The Queen? Quite honestly, I am like an unruly child.
Foolishly, I lost my temper. In an attempt to do far too many things at once, I allowed myself to snap under the pressure. The target of my destructive behavior, ever so graciously, allowed my rant without a challenge. And yes...as I know you will ask, I have apologized. I am truly sorry.
p.s. those dark moments back there cause me to pause and thank you.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1001 – 1200 of 3146 Newer› Newest»Hi GS! I'm sad, I can't stay long. I just wanted to pop in and say hi to everyone.
Happy Birthday Kapunua! Sorry I missed it.
OK then, bye anima!
Hi Entropy!
What's new with everyone? Anything exciting? I see there was a lot of talk about books.
Here is my secret: I have trouble reading. I can't really explain it... It is kind of like ADD, but different. I cannot remember anything I've read unless I read really really slow. Which is probably why it takes me so long to catch up on these comments. Sometimes I have to re-read them. I've had it all my life. Somehow I made it through school and a Masters degree, but I had to find a way to get what I needed out of books in order to succeed.
So all in all, I can't really enjoy reading. I wish I did.
Sorry you can't stay long Anima:(
It sounds rather promising doesn't it Entropy!
My friend just showed up...
I will be right back. :)
Scientists have discovered a cure for HIV!
Today's been a really great day
=)
Everybody's brains work differently Anima!
If you need us to in future just give us a shout and we'll do a quick update for you.
I think your amazing. I can speed read and keep about 5 books on the go at the same time but I don't have a degree, so in my book you beat me hands down!
You know it's weird because honestly, I didn't think there would be a 4th record, so for there to be a new song,just makes it weird you know?
I was so dead set on there not being a 4th record that it's wierd to hear a new song and for him to be talking about a year from now when we'll hear that song on a new record.
Talk to you later anima.
why wouldnt there be a fourth record?
Perhaps even a fifth, or sixth, but i highly doubt that =)
I think that song isnt going to be on the album, but perhaps on the DVD like LOTMS had extra songs, or hmm,maybe on the Mama B-side?
I know there was a possible cure talked about in the summer, have they definitely confirmed that then?
anon @ 6:18, were you serious? about a cure?
Againapologizing for the broken spacebar.
Anon @ 5:28 - Wow, hi, my Mom readsthis blog. Now that she'sgot an image of me as a frigging dominatrix, thanks. More than that, I'm not aninja. NinjasareJapaneseand I am a Kung Fu student. That's Chinese.
Morethan thatthough, don't assume that any of us want really anything to do with G-Way. Time was, I thought he was sincere and unusually humble and sweet, and that made him very cute and appealing. When I thought he washonestly against violence towards women and minorities, I found him spectacular. But with the advent of "I know you all want in my pants" Gerard, the Gerard who thinks that aband who writesabout sexing five year old girls, calls women bitches and whores and throws out theN wordand has a song called"Faggot" is amaaaaayzing, amaaaaayzing to be quite honest, I wouldn't touch him with a plastic one.
So the show lastnight was great, from what I understand,and that's cool.But I don'tfind it any reason to be creaming my jeans overthem, thanks. They did a greatshow, awesome, that's what they are paid exorbitant amountsofmoneyto do. I'm glad they seem happy,but the newsmeans nothing to me becausethey're still going to take MSI on the road and expose them to their mostly young audience.
So glad Frank was in love with all of them last night. The camaraderie that must have been displayed between all of them makes me beam with happiness.
ILU Mustard, but I disagree so hard. I would so much rather of any one ofthe guys grabbedthe mic and said, "Look, it's not okay. We'renot all on boardwith songs about doing five year old girls and women being bitches. We haven't allsold out." Then I'd stand up and cheer--for the other guys. Until that day comes along they can do all the fantastic,small, energetic showsthey want and I still won't be feeling it. New song?Cool,I guess. But I'm getting so overthem that I'm not as excited as I want to be, and that really blows, because I loved loving this band.
I have the gut feeling(and a bit of proofin myown way) that the original"anonymous" was really Frank, and I applaud him for saying that not everyone in the band was into the clique mentalitythat certain people "involved" with the band were promoting. Iknow ifthat'strue, he had to have risked a lot to getthe word outthere. I appreciate that. But if this band everstoodfor human rights, equality,if they everstoodagainst violence, racism, sexism and hate, if it ever wasmorethan just marketing and lip service, then at least some ofthem need to stand up and say so, need to give us areason--a realreason--why they are showering their audiencewith MSI's words of hate and stupidity.
Because that's reallyall I want, a realreason. Acknoweldgement that we're not all stupid fankids who aregoing to swallow whateverthe hellthey want to feed us. Up until then, they can smile at each other all the want on stageand dangle new songs like carrotsin front of us--I am a true punk in ethics,and I won'tsell out.
Scientists have discovered a cure for HIV!
Today's been a really great day
=)
WAIT, WHAT???
i dont know, its only on one website. I would expect it to be all over the internet.
They were pretty vague as well, but i really hope its true.
found the website:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071020103343.htm
thanks for the link , anon!
Im a huge science nerd so this is big news for me. Although i was hoping to find the cure myself but the sooner the better.
We still dont have one for cancer yet so maybe... XD
Soldout/didnt sell out, it all doesnt matter to me.
I choose to think of more positive things in life than worry about things
Anonymous - major breakthrough if they have !
Kapunua - a passionate post. Stick to your ideals.
And the comment about LOVING the name is personal, RW will get it when she comes on.
I do get it :) Though I'm a little embarassed to say that it took me a bit before I did.
Sorry Toujours,I've just realised I didn't say hi. Hello!
This is the claim of this article...It is NOT a cure, but a treatment. Patients must continue to take medication in order to restore T-cell counts to "normal" range. Once off medication, the virus would once again be able to "kill" the immune system by hi-jacking the patients T-cells to produce more HIV.
There are already similar treatments in existence, drug "cocktails" that HIV/AIDS patients take that allow them to have a funtioning immune system.
Also, I would question the source of this health information...is the web site credible?...looks like the original study comes out of the University of Coppenhagen, and was published in a academic journal called The Lancet (I am not familiar with)...I will have to investigate further.
-VM, your resident public health educator.
Oh L, I've always wanted to do the Jack the Ripper walk but whoever I happen to be in London with always po po's it.
I did the Jack the Ripper walk when I was in London in '94. Loved it! I also did a ghost walk, and loved that too.
Kapunua - a passionate post. Stick to your ideals.
Thank you,Gnothi Seauton. I know I don't always--nobody's ever100%honest or true, people are fallible--but ifit's something I'vebeen going on about for years,something I reallybelieve in, you'd better believe I'd never throwthose beliefs out thewindow in the interest of getting a piece ormaking money. Ever.
Hello RW.
And not instantly understanding ... that's just shocking my friend , just shocking.
I thought you knew and understood EVERYTHING.
LOooooooove Terry Pratchett , especially Death - "WHO CRACKS ME UP"
I'm a HUGE Terry Pratchett fan!
Kapunua,I love your opinion on this,it's just really refreshing.
You just tell how you feel and that's great,even with a broken space bar:)
Hey RW,toujours and VM,how are you guys today?
VM - The Lancet is the British medical profession ' bible '.
Very solid reputation.
GS i think it is Susan, I love how she can do the death voice,and suddenly speaks in capitals.
Susan is Death's granddaughter. Death's (adopted) daughter is Ysabel.
Hi GS, hi Entropy :D
True, doesnt seem really credible but who knows.
Yeah, its not a cure, just a treatement, i forgot to mention that XD,
we'll see...
I dont think they realize anything about MSI kapuna, thats the thing. I dont think they understand that people take their music seriously. I think to them, MSI is just a band that isnt serious about their message.
And not instantly understanding ... that's just shocking my friend , just shocking.
I thought you knew and understood EVERYTHING.
I try, but alas, I fall short.
*hangs head*
I dont think they realize anything about MSI kapuna, thats the thing. I dont think they understand that people take their music seriously. I think to them, MSI is just a band that isnt serious about their message.
Gerard's not that stupid. (None of them are,but he'sthe "mouth"of the band.) Think of allthe time he spent calling out otherbands fortheir "negative" message.He sure took thosebandsseriously enough, didn't he?But this one is somehow different? I'm not buying it. Gerard's not stupid: he just thinks we are.
You and me both poppet :)
oh man, i fell behind again.
hi to everyone who just said hi! :)
gnothi seauton, Thanks.
My advisor is at the forefront in HIV/AIDS education (she is kind of a big shot in the field). So whenver I see anything about HIV/AIDS I am all over it. In particular when I read anything associating the virus with the word cure.
I have not become a registered user of the Lancet site so I have not read the article (will register now).
-VM
hmm, i dont know.
I think its different in this situation because MSI is his wife's band, unlike the other bands who he had no relation with.
I highly doubt he thinks Lyn-z is trying to spread a bad message, then he wouldnt have married her.
Yes, perhaps Jimmy believes in all these negative things but the fact that Lyn-z is in the band makes it seem different to him.
Eh, i dont know. Jimmy is kind of just screwed up in the head. Concerning Lyn-z, i have no problem with her, although many people do for some reason.
That didnt make any sense but oh well, im sleepy
Didn't Gerard dislike the nu - metal bands for their lyrics and was not Linkin Park a part of that movement and did they not recently tour together?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Seems to me it depends on what you want at that time in your career.
Linkin Park doesnt have any negative lyrics unless im wrong...
You dont necessarily have to like all the bands you tour with especially tours like PR.
And I have said in my blog and I will say it here as well, delete me if you want, this could all be a grand plan to rid the scene of the teenies.
Introduce a band with inflammatory lyrics, displease the teen scene ( no disrespect to the teens amongst us ) and cleanse the fanbase of a huge swathe of people, leaving themselves a clean slate to pick up and start again.
Weird but maybe true.
good show reviews, new song, lovely pic of Gee and Mikey....it's been a busy one!
Agreed Anonymous, it just smacks slightly of being two faced.
Linkin Park is an anomoly. They are an excellent band. Gerard may have been talking about stuff like Korn and Limp Bizkit?
haha, displease the teenies? Hmmm, never thought of it that way. I dont know, considering i am a teenager, stuff like this doesnt affect our age unlike older people who will get pissed at a band like MSI.
I have this one girl in my school who is one of the hugest MSI fans i have ever seen in my life. MSI shirt every single day, covered sticker of MSI all over her binder, etc, ect.
Obviously what they say in their songs doesnt affect her as well as other people in the teen range.
anon, I honestly think that people are taking the MSI thing to seriously. (flame me all you want folks, I don't care.)
Most people DO NOT take that band seriously. To me, they are a joke band just like Bloodhound Gang and others like them. They even mention, I think on their first album, that they should not be taken seriously.
So, like that girl in school you know, I think there are a lot of other people like her who don't care about the lyrics because they don't mean anything.
I think its different in this situation because MSI is his wife's band, unlike the other bands who he had no relation with.
Precisely. Which is the definition of selling out. Basically he's saying, "Those other bands are badwhen they talk about women beign bitches. But I just married into one, so their songs about childporn and faggots and bitches--those are okay. Because I said so." Bollocks. That'sthe height of hypocrisy.
Seems to me it depends on what you want at that time in your career.
That'swhy it's kind of starting to seem that it was marketing andlip service all along. Which is a real bummer.
Introduce a band with inflammatory lyrics, displease the teen scene ( no disrespect to the teens amongst us ) and cleanse the fanbase of a huge swathe of people, leaving themselves a clean slate to pick up and start again.
It almost feels like he is trying to chase a certain group of people away on purpose. The shame of it is,those people are still going to his showsand in theinterim, arebeingsubjectedto this "New Gerard" who is basically a hypocrite with his hand always down his pants. And not only is he chasing away the teens,but he's losing every fan of his who has a functioning brain and who likedthe fact that MCR had a message that stood against violence and hatred.
Agreed Magic pie, Linkin Park are excellent:)
He never did specify which bands he meant, just made a sweeping generalisation if I remember rightly.
Anonymous - I meant more along the lines of the screaming ' OMG GERARD IS SO HOT ' teenie variety, who are prone to fickle natures and can be turned off of bands on a whim.
^^ That was what i was implying magic pie XD
I dont take them seriously at all.
And i happen to love Bloodhound Gang even though they have pretty profound music.
All in all, MSI is just, a band nothing less and nothing more.
Obviously what they say in their songs doesnt affect her as well as other people in the teen range.
I don't carewho likesthem or takes themseriously. I'm just going by what Gerard has said countless times. He's not going against anyone'sopinion but his own. What's the word forthat again?Oh, I remember. Hypocrite.
Most people DO NOT take that band seriously. To me, they are a joke band just like Bloodhound Gang and others like them. They even mention, I think on their first album, that they should not be taken seriously.
YetGerard took all those other bands seriously enough to make apoint of preaching against a certain type of lyrics.
Newsfalsh: EVERYONE on these blogs is a hypocrite in one way or another.
Not to say that it's ok, but this is the way it is.
What it all boils down to is that...as much as Gerard claims that he is uncool (I think he does this to "be cool"), he wants nothing more than to be cool. He will adopt any behavior, friend,or belief OR toss aside any behavior, friend, or belief in order to do so.
My opinion and I feel that this is his low self-esteem at work.
-VM
This discussion can go on for days and we all will come up with different points of view.
It all comes down as to how you look at things. Personally, i dont know what to think because i never bother to think about such details. And im not saying its wrong to worry about things, but im not the type of person to ponder over controversial topics like this. As long as the music is good, im pretty much satisfied with life.
I have to hand it to you K, you do know how to stir the pot sugar.
gnothi seauton said...
Was just wandering and word on the street is that Gerard is doing an Umbrella Academy signing at Forbidden Planet on the 14th of November.
Just passing on the info.
where abouts in the uk will this be? London? thanx for the info dearest :)
haha, true magic pie, we all are hypocrites and liers and we all have hurt people and we all have said things that was not right and the list of all the things we've done can go on for ages and ages.
Its built into human DNA all these things. Its impossible for us to avoid doing them unless we were some saints.
Even my priest has admitted to being a hypocrite lol.
It all comes down as to how you look at things.
Not really. It comesdown to Gerard having said (preached, really) one very specific thing for the first six years of his career,and then turned around and done the exact oppositethemoment it suited him.
I'm not talking about my OWN thoughts about bands like MSI. Be they what they are, I'm talking about Gerard'sthoughts on the same.
What it all boils down to is that...as much as Gerard claims that he is uncool (I think he does this to "be cool"), he wants nothing more than to be cool. He will adopt any behavior, friend,or belief OR toss aside any behavior, friend, or belief in order to do so.
My opinion and I feel that this is his low self-esteem at work.
-VM
Agreed.But he doesn'tget any sympathy from me for that. Sellouts, they never do.
In fact, VM, yourquote should be quoted and quoted again, bolded and posted everywhere. ^_~
I agreeabout Gerard and this being an issue of his. But still: the other guys should stand up and say something.
No Magic Pie, I'm with you to a degree on this one.
We were discussing this earlier.
I think the main issue was that MSI lyrics were viewed by the majority to be supported by members of the band, rather than as I thought, a way of bringing these issues into the public eye.
It was argued that they condoned the behaviour spoken about in their songs, supported by comments that have been made on stage.
With regards to not meaning your lyrics as you stated and that they are a joke, perhaps it would be wiser to not cover such sensitive subject matter.
I get where you are ALL coming from.
It was argued that they condoned the behaviour spoken about in their songs, supported by comments that have been made on stage.
Perhaps some of the other lyricsthat Gerardbitched about so vehemently weren't meant to condone that kind of behavior, either.Didn't matter to him when he was bitching about them though, did it?
Kapunua, Thanks.
So what is it..why haven't the other guys taken a stand with him? Why does everyone song and dance for this guy?
-VM
I'm sorry Kapunua I'm not sure what you mean ?
Kapunua,have you heard anything more about your letter?
Now that there are more shows,you think somone will print it out and give it to them(Frank)personally?
I agreeabout Gerard and this being an issue of his. But still: the other guys should stand up and say something.
Agreed. This isn't a band of one.
RW, have you received your gig tickets yet by the way
VM:
Kapunua, Thanks.
So what is it..why haven't the other guys taken a stand with him? Why does everyone song and dance for this guy?
-VM
You know, I really don't know.THat's exactly why I want one of them to pop in and say,at least--at least--we hear you.
gnothi seauton said...
I'm sorry Kapunua I'm not sure what you mean ?
I'm saying that if peopleare arguing that "MSI aren't to be taken seriously," then where did Gerard get off bitching aboutlyrics ofother bands, just assuming that they wereto be taken seriously? It's all different when it's something he wants, isn't it?
Entropy said...
Kapunua,have you heard anything more about your letter?
Now that there are more shows,you think somone will print it out and give it to them(Frank)personally?
Haven't heard a stinkin'word. Unfortunately, don't expect to. This band's got a DVD topromote now. Time to keepthese things all under wraps. Yanno? Smile and playnice.
Not yet, GS. But I'm not worried about them anymore as I am getting them rerouted to my friend's address in London. I've heard from people who've ordered tickets from this company in the past that they're known for mailing them out so that they arrive only a week or so before the show.
It's all different when it's something he wants, isn't it?
Him & my nephew. The difference bieng that my nephew is only two years old.
You guys will get a new post from Mayo soon, I bet. He's going to post something just to stop this conversation from continuing. Thanks, special K.
Yup, I know.
Well, if I was going to a show soon, I would bring that letter with me, but I'm nowhere near a show.
Him & my nephew. The difference bieng that my nephew is only two years old.
Seriously. I also knowchildren with a more maturesense of fairness.
Kapunua - Ahh ,I see.
The old double rule scenario!
RW - that will work out better. Less chance of getting lost.
rw, he does claim
"I am like an unruly child"
So two year old would apply.
-VM
I'm back. Sorry if I am interupting, again I haven't totally caught up, but I want to say something really quick.
I am not here to change your mind, nor are you trying to change mine, which is what I love about being here. With that said, I just want to comment about MSI and MCR.
I do like MSI (musically, honestly I did not pay attention to lyrics until much later). And I do understand where all of you are coming from, but in my mind I do not think they are so bad in the sense of their lyrics.
They also wrote in one of their albums about this exact issue. They know their lyrics are fucked up. I mentioned before about the one song that really sets everyone off (and I do understand), but I also understand that music is about expressing ones views, experiences, and nonsense. I mentioned that maybe someone was molested that is close to the band. Therefore, Jimmy sings the lyrics and disgusting nature of "john wayne gasey"... and it is really fucked up. I do not believe they promote anything they sing about; it is what it is; just as in the "artist" who pissed on the painting of jesus and called it art. It envokes strong emotions in people. This is his and MSI's art. I am more impressed with Jimmy's vocal range than the lyrics.
Now with MCR touring with them. I question it too. But again as I mentioned before, MSI is the anti-MCR. I find it an intriguing match. Was it responsible for MCR to put them on the set when they know they have young fans watching them? I don't know. Maybe they want their young fanbase to go away. I really hate saying that, because I know they love their fans, but it may be true. As adults it has to be annoying to be in Tigerbeat (or whatever the teens read now). I think they want to cause a stir and get back to being fucking hardcore. Yes, it was their fault for putting out their message so strongly. But then again, they came up during a weird time. Blogs, Myspace, and Fandoms. I do not think they understood how this bloody band from Jersey was going to end up as the major topic on the Web.
This is way to long. Sorry... I have more thoughts but I need to run away again.
Thank you GS and Entropy. I loved your sweet remarks when I was leaving and about my reading issues. *sends love*
Anonymous - a new post is fine by me, we aready know it might be a stinker!
RW - that will work out better. Less chance of getting lost.
My Black Parade costume marching band hat however, now that's a different story. I ordered it from the U.S. on Monday, it was sent by UPS the following day, and arrived in Toronto today. However, there was some sort of odd mix-up when the truck guy tried to deliver it. He must have gone to the wrong address, because even though he said he tried to give it to somebody, everyone at my work place swears he never showed up. I believe them. I then called UPS three times (they were supposed to call me back after my initial call, but didn't, then were supposed to respond to my second inquiry, but also didn't), trying to work out just wear my damned hat ended up. Seems it's back at their main Toronto office or something. I'm hoping for better luck tomorrow.
Anima, it's nice to see someone with a different view here that's not full of intolerance.
Thank you.
rw, he does claim
"I am like an unruly child"
So two year old would apply.
-VM
Indeed.
My nephew can be an unruly diva as well. Those two should have a show-down.
Anima and Magic Pie,
I think I shall perch here on this fence with regards to MSI. I neither love them or loathe them. I shall say no more on the issue[ for today :) ]
Anima, ahh thanks sugar!
I have a sweet spot for you, Gnothi ;)
Have a good night!
Oh, and Kapunua.
but in my mind I do not think they are so bad in the sense of their lyrics.
Man, I'm sorry, but "Five Year Old Panty Shot." End of conversation, because again, this isn'tabout how Ifeel about lyrics like this. It'sabout how Gerardhas always claimed--vehemently--to be against even milderlyricsthan ones like that. I don'tknow how I can say that any simpler or any more.
But again as I mentioned before, MSI is the anti-MCR. I find it an intriguing match.
It's not about being"intriguing." It's about the things that Gerard pretty much preached about for so long. But if by "intriguing" you mean "grossly obvious" then yeah, I agree.
Was it responsible for MCR to put them on the set when they know they have young fans watching them? I don't know.
Yeah?Because I do. It is the direct opposite of "responsible" to put them onstage in front of what they knowis a fanbase made largely of children. And remember: It was Gerard who said this:
"Unlike a good part of the artists, I think we have a very big responsibility, when it comes to the kids who listen to our music. Usually, people like to take refuge and say that all the responsibility, when it comes to raising kids, is up to the parents: honestly! When I was a kid, I didn’t listen to my father! The words that meant something to me were the ones from Billy Corgan and Glen Danzig."
Did you catch that key phrase in there? "We have a very big responsilility." I see no clause that says, "Unless I marry a bassguitarist of aband who writesabout five year old girls spreading their legs.In which case, disregard everything I've ever said."
Maybe they want their young fanbase to go away. I really hate saying that, because I know they love their fans,
Do you?Because I don't. At this point I don't think they have any thoughts on theirfans other than "keep buying our stuff."
Yes, it was their fault for putting out their message so strongly. But then again, they came up during a weird time. Blogs, Myspace, and Fandoms. I do not think they understood how this bloody band from Jersey was going to end up as the major topic on the Web.
Itdoesn'tmatter how "big" you think you're going to be; you don't change your fundemental values ofthings like "sexism, racism, violence and oh, say exploitation of childrenare bad things" just because you "came up at a weirdtime."
Thanks Magic Pie!
Right back atcha!
Rw - damn delivery people, how hard can it be?
Anima, it's nice to see someone with a different view here that's not full of intolerance.
Yeah, it really sucks when peopleareso intolerant of intolerance. And that little issue of gleeful childporn. Don't you just hate that?
I count myself among the ones here who are upset about MSI touring with MCR. It has nothing to do with not liking MSI (which I don't, but I deal with that by simply not listening to them). It has to do with the clash of band philosophies. Everything MSI sings about is everything MCR has been fighting against since they first formed. These two bands should not be sharing a stage. By doing so, MCR are endorsing MSI's message, hence the accusation of hypocracy.
I believe that this joint tour would not be happening if Gerard had not married LynZ. And I believe that these days Gerard calls the shots in MCR.
Rw - damn delivery people, how hard can it be?
Ya, I know! We'll see what happens tomorrow.
I just read the review of maxwells and it made me so happy, mostly because i had kinda started dreading to go see mcr in november, not completely sure why but i had just started feeling that i wouldnt enjoy it, knowing things i shouldnt know and being way more overly emotionally attached to some things but that review honestly made me smile so much and although it wont be anything like maxwells it has give me back the excitement of going to see a band that i love and forgetting all the bullshit that surrounds it.
Hey Kapunua,
Just a little note from someone who's been exposed to the same kind of behavior that Gerard has displayed:
Keep in mind that all during the time he made these decisions, HE WAS DRUNK AND STONED. Obviously not a good time to make major decisions. And yes, I know that these decisions could have been overridden by a majority vote. However, it is very nearly impossible to reason with someone who's not thinking clearly. I mentioned in an earlier post that he showed similar characteristics to those of head-injured patients. Those folks have very limited reasoning skills due to trauma to the brain. Drink and drugs have the same effect.
This also may have been a "pick your battles" situation. We don't, and can't, know all the details such as contracts, bookings, etc. Yes, it's disheartening to see people that you've held in such high esteem fall into what seems like a pit of immorality. This is what we talked about before, when people put others on pedestals. No matter what kind of pedestal it is, it inevitably topples and the object of adoration crashes to the ground.
None of us want to hear MSI's lyrics. We don't have to listen to them. If the parents of the kids who are going to the shows don't want their kids listening, they will have to talk to their kids. Tell them to put their hands over their ears, turn around with their backs to the stage, leave the room, wear earmuffs, whatever. Make a statement. It is ultimately their responsibility. We've already seen that some venues were changed due to poor ticket sales. That's what will make the difference; actions speak louder than words.
More than likely, once Gerard was completely sober again, he saw what bizarre choices he's made and has been rectifying them. The first step, though, was to get him sober. Until then, no one could reason with him. What we have to deal with first is the person. Not the mistakes. Fix the person, then the problems. Sounds kinda simplistic, but that's how ALL therapy works. It's more important to have the person alive and sane. Nothing can be accomplished until that happens.
Thanks.
J.
Glad you feel that way Shame in Me :)
Things seem a little heated in here.
SS where are you, we need some light entertainment!!
Heading to the shower. Back in a bit :)
Haha, my computer crashes and you guys are still discussing MSI/MCR.
I think im just going to stick with what i said earlier. Everyone lies, everyones a hypocrite, everyones made mistakes and done regretful things.Even people we would least expect to. Its in the human DNA to do so.
I seriously cant believe my parents are bitching at me saying i could have done better when i got a 102 average on my report card hjsfa/end rant
Mayo,
My darling, I have not addressed you since the morning after FF2007. I hope all is coming up roses in your world and that your mood has not turned sour again. Me? Well, my mood seems to turn sour at least 16 times a day but that is what makes the sweet parts so much sweeter. Don't you agree? You have to go through the shit just so you can appreciate the good times...however, that doesn't mean we always have to treat people like shit. I'm still working on that last part....some people make it so damn hard to be nice to them. Oh well, Can't be great at everything. We will continue the constant inner battle with our demons and keep on keeping on. Moods will change as quickly as the Santa Ana winds. Of that much ,I am sure. But I am learning to accept my roller coaster of emotions...I hang on and enjoy the ride. It does have a tendancy to make everyone else nervous though. Awwh come on people, join us for the ride....Won't you? It's bound to get more interesting than this. Anticipation is the best part...that and the feeling you get in your stomach when you are flying down that hill. You know the one...where your stomach and heart feel like they are coming out of your throat! Whooosh! Hold on tight and don't close your eyes....You'll miss the best part!
Love to you always,
S
p.s. Scream
J,
You have a very soothing tone to your writing, thankyou.
Lunatic Calm - Leave you far Behind
All together now.
I wanna take you on a rollercoaster ...
gnothi seauton said...
Glad you feel that way Shame in Me :)
Things seem a little heated in here.
SS where are you, we need some light entertainment!!
October 25, 2007 8:23 PM
Thanks honey :) How are you tonight? Im in the mood for some fun also :) i am skiving work!! Ooops haha. Which show are you going to in november? i will be at the sheffield one although i live nowhere near sheffield haha should be a fun trip getting there though
Thank you, GS.
How are you tonight?
J.
Keep in mind that all during the time he made these decisions, HE WAS DRUNK AND STONED.
Are you sure about that? Either way it sucks, and for as much as I hate the hypocrisy, I don't want to see himfail. I don'twant to see anyonefail.
Yes, it's disheartening to see people that you've held in such high esteem fall into what seems like a pit of immorality. This is what we talked about before, when people put others on pedestals.
I never had Gerard on a pedestal. He put himself there. For years all we heard wasthatMCR had a message,MCR wanted to be in your life,MCR wanted to save your life. Gerardput himself up there on that pedestal. Once you placeyourself up there, you lose the right to choose your terms. Plus it's tacky. Especially if you're lying about what you believethe entire time.
If the parents of the kids who are going to the shows don't want their kids listening, they will have to talk to their kids. Tell them to put their hands over their ears, turn around with their backs to the stage, leave the room, wear earmuffs, whatever. Make a statement. It is ultimately their responsibility.
THat's always been my stance:that is isthe parents'responsibility to understand what their children should or shouldn't be exposed to.It was Gerardwho took the opposite stance.
The first step, though, was to get him sober. Until then, no one could reason with him.
You're speaking as if you know thatGerardwasreally cooked out of hisskull when he pulled rank to get his wife'sband a tour with them,and also that he is sobernow. Do you knowsuch a thing? And ifit'strue that Gerard isbeginning to get well again,well hey:we still have to deal with this bollocksy tour.
Thanks for your perspective,though.
I'm not going to any SIM, I'm not really into the much larger venues.
Haven't seen you around before, are you a former observer?
Where do you live then?
P.S. Kapunua, I hope you're okay.
SS where are you, we need some light entertainment!!
No,goddamnit, we need you to really be Frank Iero and to stand up and say, "We hear you."
P.S. Kapunua, I hope you're okay.
I'mfine,thank you. ^_^ Sometimes I feel like Ihave to quit playing around and just tell it like it is.
Kapunua,I thought you had disappeared, you alright ?
J,
I'm fine thankyou, but I really should be in bed. Maybe in a minute:)
Good night J.
I know what you mean GS. That's where I am heading to as well.
Good Night!
J.
Kapunua,I thought you had disappeared, you alright ?
You mean today?No, I just work long hours on Tuesday,Thursday and Friday. And Idon't have internetaccessatwork.
I hate my keyboard.
Hello everyone!!! Late again:
But---
I said:So glad Frank was in love with all of them last night. The camaraderie that must have been displayed between all of them makes me beam with happiness.
Kapunua said:ILU Mustard, but I disagree so hard. I would so much rather of any one ofthe guys grabbedthe mic and said, "Look, it's not okay. We'renot all on boardwith songs about doing five year old girls and women being bitches. We haven't allsold out."
ILU as well Kapunua. I guess I was just hoping that in the back of my mind, last night was the same old My Chem. Deep down I know it's not, and it saddens me. I just wanted one effin' moment to bask in pseudo-happiness and you gotta go and ruin it ;)
I agree with what you've said in the rest of your post by the way.
I really wish we could get an explanation for the reasons MCR are taking them out. We probably won't ever hear why though. I'm still gonna stick it out and see what transpires. I'm in this far. No chance in hell am I abandoning ship.
Life is fucked up and so is pretty much everyone that lives in it.
Fuckity Fuck Fuck
But hey, we have Icecream and The Office! XD
That always makes life seem less outtathisworld
Yeah and Scrubs is back on the air so I guess we know where Loveman is tonight.
So where do you work Kapunua, in an animal sanctuary?
And where the hell did you lot appear from?
Hello by the way!
Have you guys seen this:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=107t8iq&s=2
Hey guys! Nice to see you again.
I just popped in. I had classes all day, so now I'm on for approximately 4 hours or until sleep takes over.
How are ya'll doing?
Yeah where are my manners? I must have left them at FF2007.
Hello everyone!
Hi mustard and sdock10!
My marching band hat is being held hostage by UPS :(
ILU as well Kapunua. I guess I was just hoping that in the back of my mind, last night was the same old My Chem. Deep down I know it's not, and it saddens me. I just wanted one effin' moment to bask in pseudo-happiness and you gotta go and ruin it ;)
I'm sorry. ^_^ That's how I roll sometimes. Rose-colored glasses the hell away from me. Debbie Downer, though. ;)
gnothi seauton said...
So where do you work Kapunua, in an animal sanctuary?
I split-shift. I work at an animal hospital mostof the time as an assistant/kennel/laboratory type person; we specializein exoticsbut usually just get dogsand catsand birds. Then I work two shortershiftsat awildlifesantuary where it'smostly birds--swans,crows, geese, things likethat--as wellas someturtles and bunnies. Then once in a whilei do alittle desk-work andphone-calling anderrand-running for my Sifu. Andon weekends in spring and summer I dance Polynesian dances, Hula and Tahitian. So,kindabusy sometimes. ^___^
I love The Office. Michael Scott is my hero. I totally work in an office just like that. Not exactly a paper supply company but the same scenario. Cubicles and all. I actually have a window though. I get to watch who goes back and to the public restroom all day. Awwww, what a life. People totally envy me.
No RW,
That's going back a few years it's got Otter in the picture. Good find!
Mustard - hellooo! Why do you all turn up when it's my bedtime:( I'll hang around a little while longer.
Have you guys seen this:
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=107t8iq&s=2
Yes, they were everythingthat wasbeautiful and cooland unique and sincereback then.I missthat band.
Damn the man and damn the UPS!!
Can we track them down and get it? Do you need my help?
Hi, sdock!
S&V20, always good toread you. Hey,if you work at a cubicleoffice I have toask you, have you ever seen DeadLike Me?Man, that was a great show!
that band didnt go anywhere.
Interesting jobs Kapunua.
Not interesting job s&v :D
Princess Smoke,
While in your office and in your cubicle, do you sometimes sing "Cubicles"?
...just askin
Damn the man and damn the UPS!!
Can we track them down and get it? Do you need my help?
I'm hoping they get the deliver right tomorrow. I may, however, require some ass-kicking skills. I'll let you know ;)
Hey mustard,hey sdock.
I haven't seen that picture before,it made me laugh,then frown 'cause yeah, I miss that band too.
Hey Kapunua,
We should have bought you a new keyboard for your birthday...that would have been so bad ass!
gnothi seauton said...
I'm not going to any SIM, I'm not really into the much larger venues.
Haven't seen you around before, are you a former observer?
Where do you live then?
P.S. Kapunua, I hope you're okay.
October 25, 2007 8:35 PM
Haha yeah i have been around since the beginning, since before the mayonaise blogs back when it was just loveman. There will be a few comments from me on early posts but I just tend to not have much time to respond as much as i would like to. Especially nowadays since the numbers have increased enourmously. Takes me all night just reading them haha.
I live in lancashire by the way. what about yourself?
Well RW, you have a bunch of e-buddies willing to kick some ass for you:)
Interrupting to say hello... I've got to go catch up now.
RW,
I got your back. You just let me know...I can be in and out of there in a flash!
Anonymous,
How the devil are you?
Sorry, that was me that deleted at 9:08pm. Double posted :S
'you don't work here anymore'
Ha, I like that song. Actually, I've been there so long, I have an office with a door. I am cool like that. There is a star on my door and a nameplate that says "Princess Smoke&Venom20". Yeah right.
Kapunua, I never got to watch that show. It looked pretty cool though.
Anon - I don't think that band has went anywhere either. They're still there somewhere. I still got a little bit of faith left. :-)
I'm sorry. ^_^ That's how I roll sometimes. Rose-colored glasses the hell away from me. Debbie Downer, though. ;)
No, don't apologize. I sometimes need help in being brought back to reality. I just hope that they had fun last night. And that they felt the music in their hearts and that they know their reasons for doing what they do.
GS:
Do hang around a while longer. You were the one trying to fix me up with Mayo earlier, weren't you. You're a very bad for having done that. My flavor would totally overpower Mayo's flavor, and he probably wouldnn't be pleased because he would be tasteless ;)
Hello Sdock and S&V20!
Thank you entropy and sdock10 :) I may be calling you in for enforcement.
AIP - Hows the temple?
SIM - Woah, an oldie but a goodie:)
I'm in Bedford.
Hello AIP,how are you today?
Well, I have to go for a little bit so talk to you all later.
Damn dial-up:(
Hello RW, AIP, and SIM!
Have a good night, entropy!
Princess Smoke,
OOOHHH OOOOH! Is your cubicle covered in mirrors so that every time you swivel in your chair you see yourself???
S&V20,
Pactum Serva.
Love,
L.
Mustard,
Everyone knows that the feeling of being overpowered can be quite nice in the right circumstances ;)
How are you tonight, mustard?
Sorry I didn't see ya Entropy! Goodnight to you. Sleep well.
Jon Bon Jovi better have been nice to my 5 boo-t-FULLLL boys or I will hunt him down and bitch slap him back into 1986!!
GS:
Teehee!
RW:
I'm doing well, now that I've made it here. Very busy lady today. Need time to unwind. Thank you for asking.
I’m fine, thanks. Hope you can say the same.
I’m still laughing at that idea… a temple. A shrine in a closet is more “me” but I guess that explains a lot.
I was so bored today that I made fun of Gerard/Mayo/Whoever you are. Tis not fun trying to explain this situation to non-bloggers and non-MCR lovers. I’m so glad to finally be alone.
Night Entropy.
Hellooo Everyone I haven't said hello to!
MIB
OP
What did you do/say AIP ?
And make him grow that scraggily-ass long hair back!
Secret: That hair made me sorta swoon.
Jon Bon Jovi better have been nice to my 5 boo-t-FULLLL boys or I will hunt him down and bitch slap him back into 1986!!
Not back to 1986!!
That's a threat if I ever heard one!
*RW - who was 18 in 1986*
Hi MIB, L., RW and anyone else that might be here!
Luci Lou-fer - You know it sweetie! Gotta be able to check myself out at all times and from all angles. I mean can you think of anything better to look at? Besides maybe a few sweet little rock dudes from Jersey? Yeah, didn't think so.
sdock10 said...
Jon Bon Jovi better have been nice to my 5 boo-t-FULLLL boys or I will hunt him down and bitch slap him back into 1986!!
October 25, 2007 9:19 PM
LMAO!!! haha i would like to see that hahaha.
Hello mustard is better and sdock and everyone else :) hope you are all well on this fine night
Happy belated birthday Kapunua!!
Hope you had a fantastic one and Dead like me was an amazing series i loved it, my little sister got me in to it bless her hehe
I was only 1 year behind you RW, 17 at the time.
*raises hand*
That hair made me swoon too....and I was 12 in 1986. He was so purdy to me.
Won't keep me from bitch slapping his ass though!!
Hi, S&V20 :D
Evening, SDock10, MIB, Entropy, AIP, RW, SIM and anyone else I missed.
L.
I do love JBJ but everytime I look at him now, he just looks like he has been carved out of cream cheese. I think he sold his soul to the devil back in 1986. The man has hardly aged. Still got perfect hair, perfect teeth. He just seems so uppity-uppity now. Whatever dude. I bet I could challenge him for the 'Most Fabulous Hair Award'. Ha! Take that Mr. Bon Jovi!
My effing computer effing sucks!
That hair made me swoon too....and I was 12 in 1986. He was so purdy to me.
His hair was way too scraggly for me. Actually, I wasn't into Bon Jovi at all. Duran Duran were my boys when I was 18.
Hi Original Punks & Shame In Me!
"gnothi seauton said...
What did you do/say AIP ?"
Not so much said… did is more like it. I made a few Halloween costume ideas for Mayo.
I posted photos on my blog but here's a summary.
Three choices- a princess, himself or a "singer."
It's just really stupid, meaningless amusement.
Good evening L!
Well as long as we're being honest...Def Leppard were my boys back in the day. They still hold a a huge place in my heart.....
*sings* Rock of Ages
I still have a major soft spot for Adam Ant ( swoon )
Oh, my yes, RW. I was a major Durannie in my teens too. My walls were plastered with magazine pics and posters. (Remember Star Hits?)
True story- I had a 2 foot by 3 foot poster of Simon on my ceiling over my bed and at about 2 a.m. one morning it came lose and fell on me. It woke me up from a sound sleep and I had no idea what had happened. I was screaming and batting at the poster when my Mum came in and turned on the light.
I'm pretty sure she wet her pants laughing.
L.
I still have a major soft spot for Adam Ant ( swoon )
Oh my god, I LOVE Adam Ant!
Oh, my yes, RW. I was a major Durannie in my teens too. My walls were plastered with magazine pics and posters. (Remember Star Hits?)
Do I ever! Star Hits was my favourite teen magazine. I loved the writers' quirky sense of humour.
True story- I had a 2 foot by 3 foot poster of Simon on my ceiling over my bed and at about 2 a.m. one morning it came lose and fell on me. It woke me up from a sound sleep and I had no idea what had happened. I was screaming and batting at the poster when my Mum came in and turned on the light.
Haha! Death by Simon! But what a way to go ;) Nick, however, was my fave.
I have to say, I was a true-blue Motley Crue fan. I was obsessed. Shout at the Devil was like the coolest album ever. Kind of weird for a nine year old to be so into a band like that. Other girls loved New Kids on the Block and Tiffany. Oh my God. I just realized how old I'm gonna be next month. It's all good though. How many times have you seen Def Leppard, Sdock10? I've been quite a few times. That Rick Allen is fuckin' awesome!
You see RW, we're twins separated at birth!
AIP - those costumes are divine, so terribly, terribly appropriate!
and i was doing so good at being a lurker tonight, too. but no, you guys had to go and mention duran duran. ^.^
who else had a fedora like john's?
You see RW, we're twins separated at birth!
Aha! I thought so!
Hi everyone I was lurking to but Duran duran is my weakness. By the way happy late Bday to Kapunua.
and i was doing so good at being a lurker tonight, too. but no, you guys had to go and mention duran duran. ^.^
who else had a fedora like john's?
I wanted one, but didn't have one. However, I dyed my hair burgundy at age 15 in honour of John's hair colour at the time.
Well I've been 3 times S&V20....even took my little sister with me the last 2 times. First time was a Christmas present from my parents!
Rick Allen is the most bad ass mother fucker on the fucking planet earth! LOVE HIM! LOVE HIM! I'll beat someone's ass over him for real....
Gee Princess Smoke that puts you at being....OOOOOOOOOHH you are going to be so old next month!
Mayo, Can we book your blog for Princess Smokes' B-day? Please please please!
RW, Nick is wonderful. My fav was always John, but I loved them all.
J. and I saw them in Atlanta twice in the late 90's when it was just Simon, Nick and Warren, and then again in 2004 in Atlanta when the band got back together for the Astronaut Tour. Andy wasn't with them, but we saw the others. First time I had ever got to see John in concert. I didn't get to go back in the 80's.
L.
That would explain the strange pull to the west when I walk?!
Happy belated birthday Kapunua!!
Hope you had a fantastic one and Dead like me was an amazing series i loved it, my little sister got me in to it bless her hehe
Thank you! Fantastic show, wasn't it?
That hair made me swoon too....and I was 12 in 1986. He was so purdy to me.
I suck at math, sdock. Out with it. ;D
I was into Bon Jovi when I was 14 (in 86,) also. My Da took me to my first concert, which was, in fact, Bon Jovi with Cinderella. It was at Nassau Coliseum and it was such a thrill. (And the coolest thing wasthat I recently took my goddaughter to her first concert, and she was 14 atthetime. It was 30 SecondstoMars. ^_^ )
Bon Jovi was my gateway drug for Def Leppard who was my gateway drug to Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, and basically I just went backintime after that. Stillhave such a major soft spot for everything by LEd Zeppelin. They were so fantastic. AMAAAAAAYYYZING, AMAAAAAYYYZING! El Oh El. >_>
That was addressed to RW by the way!
L we have the same taste. I did get to see them in the 80s and than last year both times it was the original line up.
who else had a fedora like john's?
Oh,snap. Shut up! ^_~
I was so gonnamarryhim. Having the samehat was proof. But I was also gonna grow upto be Cyndi Lauper. Not like, her bestfriend or anything. I was going to BE her. Then after that I decided I was going to be Ann Wilson of Heart. Another greatband.
http://www.templeofsaintnick.com/images/pole.jpg
My boy. *sigh*
I didn't have the fedora, but I had the shoes (remember the black and white shoes from the RIO era?)
And the hairstyles! I changed mine almost everytime John did.
Sigh.
L.
Thank you MarthaJones!
That would explain the strange pull to the west when I walk?!
Haha! :P
you are welcome Kapunua
Well, since you are such a Zeppelin fan (as am I), Kapunua:
Have you seen the album Robert Plant has done with Alison Kraus? If you have heard any songs, will you tell me if they are any good (Who the hell am I kidding? It's Robert. Fucking. Plant. Of course it will be good, no matter if it sounds like shit.) So, could you tell me if the songs are good?
That is if you've heard of what I'm droning on about :)
K,
I am 33...OH MY GOD!! Where the fuck did the last 15 years go........33 better be a luck damn number cause right now it just feels old as fuck! I can't even believe it as I type it...I keep doing the math over and over in my head like that can't be right. 2007-1974=33
My first concert was 1987 Crue/GNR, followed by Def Lepp/Tesla, followed by Bon Jovi/Skid Row...and so on and so on...
This conversation has made me play Duran Duran on my iTunes. Anyone remember a song called Friends Of Mine? Never released as a single, but one of my faves all the same.
That would be absolutely perfect Sdock10 but do we really have to ask his permission? I mean, I know he is the Queen of FF2007 and all but I am the fuckin' princess, damnit! We shall leave let the King decide. He is the higher power here. First things first, though.
A Halloween/Costume Party/Birthday party for our favorite little pumpkin boy! I will even disguise myself. No one will even know I'm a princess. You down for that?
X X
___
i think there must be a hidden vein of durannism in every crowd, because all you gotta do is mention them, and out come the stories! it's too great!
My first concert was Duran Duran in 1984 (tickets were a b-day gift from my parents). Next was INXS, the Bowie, then The Cult, Siouxie and the Banshees, a couple of Canadian bands you guys have probably never heard of, then MCR.
I love friends of mine. Have you seen the video for it?
Oh, yeah, RW. From the first album. A great song! Waiting for the Nightboat was one of my favs, but all time was Lonely in Your Nightmare.
Anyone remember Sekret Oktober and Faster Than Light, B-Sides?
L.
I love friends of mine. Have you seen the video for it?
There's a video for it?? O_O
I think my all-time fave Duran Duran song is New Religion.
Hiyo Mayo! Evening everyone!
Original PunksI got a good one for you.
I used to be a BSB fan when I was younger, and I had a poster of one of the boys on my wall. I also had a dog named Harley. This is important.
I wasn't feeling well one day, so I went to my room to take a nap. My bed used to be up against a wall, and the poster was hung right beside my bed.
Diagram:
[] <- Poster
------- <- Bed
So, I was snoozing and my dad was getting ready for a gig at the bar downtown, when the dog pushed open my bedroom door and saw a strange boy sitting on my bed.
He freaked.
I have never again seen this dog react like this, but he barked and barked and growled and RAN at the poster. This was especially amusing because I was half asleep when this maniac dog comes barreling in my room losing his cool.
My dad was laughing so hard he cut himself, because he'd been shaving in the bathroom adjacent.
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