The catalyst of confusion
started a fire
while shopping for
a soul on a high wire.
Until now I was unaware that the remuneration for impropriety exceeded that set for dignity. How much did you get for yours? As for my dignity…I will hold onto it, thank you. I would rather starve than feed my soul from a base wage.
With my voice in repose, I hid behind my own forbearing shadow, and allowed silence to foster absolution. Silence failed, and I have become intolerant of flippant commentary.
I am not so completely unaware. Because I am certain that is common knowledge, your recent presentment was, quite frankly, out of line. Your bravado flames me.
As it happened, I had simply misplaced the why, where, and how. I can identify the sickness in that statement, and I concede fault in my volition. I understand that I can be fucking difficult. My own scathing behavior must remain in constant check.
I am not able to take back that fleeting moment or the injustice it served you. I have arrived at the place from where I must move on. I wish you the same in your departure.
p.s. a fucking doormat.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1801 – 2000 of 3911 Newer› Newest»Well I'm not sure Kass! I do believe I have pulled a muscle in my back trying to lift a box of music magazines!
Damn you AP! damn you Rolling Stone! Damn you Blunt and Metal Hammer and Spin and all you other mags!!!!!!
And damn Revolver too.....
Oh, I almost forgot......
SS, I wanna know what you're wearing today. Could it be the lovely outfit that PP created for you?
I bet you look sharp! ^_~
Alright, I gotta get back to work for now. (And why is that? I have no effin' idea)
Love you all!
S&V20
Hi and bye S&V! :)
Hello friends..
Happy New Years Even unless it's already New Years where you are...
If so Happy New Years!!!
Ohhh my back!
Call a doctor damn it Mayo!
Hi Elena!!!!!!!!!
*hugs*
New pic! ooooo!
Happy NYE too E, and love to you too S&V!
Remember Cuppy - lift with your legs, not your back!!
Don't tell me about magazines - I had a big clearout just before Christmas and I shed a tear letting go of another giant stack of Kerrangs, not to mention every National Enquirer from June 2004 onwards. Gone to the big doctors' waiting room in the sky...
Kass xx
That's not a 'dark side' lightsabre is it?
Hidden depths of maleficence one has!
Kass xx
I'm terrible at throwing things out Kass, and I have been buying a few magazines a week since I was 11....
I will not throw out my music mags, horror mags or comics. Yes to the crappy girly mags I bought when younger.
MAN I'M SWEATING! I NEVER DO THAT!... CUPCAKE DOES HARD LABOR!
lol....
I even moved my huge bed! woohoo!
Kass, I thought it was a light saber too, but dark side!? good heavens!
Ha! I just found a pair of velvet knickers I never knew I had! .... odd....
Alloooo?
Hello Cupcake and Kass
Alas it is a darkside lightsabler.
Darth Maul to be exact. I fucking love it. I got it for Christmas. Am I a nerd or what? It's double-bladed and has lights and sounds. I feel so kick ass with it!!!!
Not that it really matters or that anyone truly cares, but for clarification, this is not me:
"pretty purple unicorn said...
pretty purple unicorn loves to play wth bc
December 30, 2007 2:04 AM"
Elena said...
Hello Cupcake and Kass
Alas it is a darkside lightsabler.
Darth Maul to be exact. I fucking love it. I got it for Christmas. Am I a nerd or what? It's double-bladed and has lights and sounds. I feel so kick ass with it!!!!
- Well that kicks the ass of my pressies! lol
Sorry, I got a bit side-tracked by what I'm actually paid to do!
Maybe I've just made this up, but I'm pretty sure in Star Wars all the good guys have blue or green lightsabres and the bad dudes are red, in a similar spirit to the spaghetti westerns white hat/black hat credo.
Ergo, 'dark side' lightsabre Darth Elena has...
Kass xx
Curse these time delays!
Kass, you pointed out the similarities between this situation and your friend's engagement.
Here is another thing I have to clear up: I really could care less who Gerard Way marries. When he was with Kat he acted like a great dude to people. When he was with Eliza, the same I guess. At least he wasn't denegrating women on stage. I don't have any concerns over who he's banging and who he used to bang but now hates, other than the fact that recently he's started dragging all of this onto the stage with him and it looks ridiculous.
My issue is with the way he's treating people. End of story.
Gerard Way isn't my friend. Trying to save doomed rock stars is so 1996. If he's going downhill, that's sad, but it's also out of my hands. I see that now. However, giving up on someone I once admired is not a decision I ever make lightly or with any kind of joy. There are lines you can't cross with me. Those are: sexosm, racism, homophobia, zenophobia, animal cruelty, and the disregard of basic human rights. If anyone--I don't care who it is--crosses those, they're out. Now, I know people who make the occasional off color joke or whatever. That is hugely different from bashing on women nightly in the basest way. I also consider that he's doing this all under the flag of feminism.
I've also found that, if I have to do anything with any amount of shame, I can't do it.
I know little of Star Wars sadly, but I know a light saber when I see one!... and a few quotes.
I have seen some of the films, but forgot them...
So noted PPU
How are you today?
Pointing again at my retardedly long 11:57PM post, the reason I can still be here is because Mayo is not Gerard, 'cause Mayo's actually a nice dude from what it seems like from over here.
Otherwise you'd find me partying over at DM, but not here. ^_^
I know Kass! damn time delays!
Kapunua, I agree wholeheartedly with you, as I often do. Kudos on putting it into words.
Oh no, Kapunua!
I wasn't comparing the marriage thing, it just happens that my friend's major balls-up involved one. It was just an example that sometimes people don't listen to good, honest advice from their friends (about whatever) and end up looking back and regretting it.
I'm not suggesting Gerard's going to regret his marriage, just that he might one day wake up and cringe that he's been behaving like such a muppet and maybe lost friends because of it.
And Happy New Year's Eve to you too!
Kass xx
Kass I love it....I'm Darth Elena.
Hells Yeah....
Darkside here I come.
Hey Kapunua...New Years Eve plans?
K,
Now you're making me feel guilty for my MCR stash! If he could just mutilate himself a bit I'd be fine.
Kass xx
Kass79 said...
K,
Now you're making me feel guilty for my MCR stash! If he could just mutilate himself a bit I'd be fine.
Kass xx
-Oh deary me that made me laugh!!
Zenophobia?!
It is Xenophobia.
Yes I have a serious personality flaw Cuppy!
We've been over this before but you definitely get less questioning of your actions if you're pretty. I know a couple who can get away with murder because of their cheekbones, and I do hate that part of myself that's hanging on to MCR for G-Way's eyes and Toro's fro, but until the inner fangirl is vanquished I'll have to carry on with the burden of my shame.
Kass xx
Thanks, Cupcake!
Kass, okay, I get what you're saying. Yeah, I've watched friends do that kind of thing, too. And I always, always try to offer them whatever help I can. If they don't want advice, they don't get it. If they ever come around, they'd never get an "I told you so" but instead an open hand and a "welcome back, let me help you put it back together."
There is, however, a difference between making bad life decisions, and fully turning into a cruel, mean, biased person, which is what Gerard has become.
You should not feel guilty about still being into them. I wish I could, but I'm just not built that way. Once I turn off, I turn off for life.
True, anon. Sorry about the typo.
Now honestly, you couldn't sign in to say that?
I can sympathize Kass, don't be ashamed!
LOL "zenophobia" - the fear of being at one with the universe. There, see, I made a new term.
Now be a brave little poppet and sign in.
Oh, hi Elena! I have a lightsaber, too, but mine is green. ^_^
My NYE plans are to wait for my cousins to get the hell home so I can go visit Boychild for a while. Clean the house, finish my laundry, have dinner, and probably chill here for a while.
I'll probably go on AIM for a while later but not too late, because I have to work tomorrow.
Yes, that's right. I have to work tomorrow.
Kapunua,
you remind me very much of a friend of my family. He's a great guy, but when someone behaves like Gerard Way has been, he will cut them out of his life. He does what he has to, a wonderfully caring man, but strong tool, with certain morals he sticks to. I admire your strength.
I'm still into My Chemical Romance, but Gerard Way is not a hero or an idol in my eyes... then again, he never was.
There is, however, a difference between making bad life decisions, and fully turning into a cruel, mean, biased person, which is what Gerard has become.
Agreed. Completely.
I just hold on to the hope that it's because he's being a jerk trying to impress other jerks, rather than he's a fundamentally bad person who's been lying in the past to build a fanbase.
I guess it's just one of those occasions when time will eventually show his true colours and if it's the latter then I'll be right there with you burning* my CDs & merch.
Kass xx
*Or suitable alternative ecologically-friendly method of disposal.
In other news, The RIAA now says that it's illegal to transfer music from CDs onto your computer for ANY reason, even if you don't share it.
W.
T.
F.
I should make an account just to correct your spelling? Give me a break, "poppet".
LOL, Cupcake, you've made one of the most awesome typos to date. "Strong tool." ^_^
Yeah, you know, I wish I could be more mellow, but those are my lines. I can't even speak to people who are racist, sexist, homophobic. Ignorance just turns me the other way.
Kass, what if time doesn't tell? Even if the dude ever gets bonked on the head into realizing what he's doing*, do you think someone like that would ever admit to being wrong?
Which is another reason why Mayo > Gerard Way. Mayo has admitted his mistakes.
*Gerard knows exactly what he's doing. He's even tried subtly to address it (defend it) in interviews.
I love MCR I always will.
The band is not just Gerard Way.
Yeah, I'm not happy with him at the moment because of his recent actions but I'm not one to turn my back on him because of that.
I'm way too imperfect to judge anyone.
Wow! That^^'s going to make it a little tough to own an iPod.
They'll sue a couple of people, then the backlash will be immense. I'm waiting for Metallica's new album too drop, specifically so I get a pirate copy. My own private way of annoying Lars Ulrich for the Napster thing!
Kass xx
Kapunua has to work tomorrow?
That sucks.
Oh make sure to give Boychild a big hug for me.
Anon, I think you do have an account, or at least have posted here before. You don't, by the way, have to make an account in order to let everyone know who you are.
No, but that's okay. If you need to hide behind anonymity in order to say something to me, I guess that speaks of your own problems. ^_^
Strong tool! ahahahah! oh lord I should get a prize for that one!
Well it is 3:30 am here, I'm amazed I can type at all! hehe
And mellowness is overrated I'm sure!
You are amazing! You can come up with all of that just because I corrected your spelling. My god, you're absolutely brilliant! Or insane. I think I'll go with insane.
I will, Elena.
I know the band isn't juts Gerard, but they are letting him speak for them.
And how can I not judge him, when he is judging half the population?
Kass, I was thinking about the iPod thing as well. Why aren't they suing Apple for being accomplices or accessories or whatever the hell they could be? Probably because Apple would grind them into the ground under its heel, and the RIAA only goes after the little geeks with glasses in the schoolyard.
No, anonymous, I'm going with it because you're still hiding. Which honestly, I think is kind of funny. I kind of get a giggle when people are too afraid to speak to me without remaining anonymous. It sorta makes my day, actually. ^_^
OK Cuppers, Elena, Kapunua & Anon,
I must say "adios" for 2007 and I'll see you all in the New Year.
Cuppy,
Get thee to sleep!
K, E & Anon,
Have a Splendid Evening!
Lots of love to Mayonaise,
Kass xx
This better? Does this validate me any more than an anonymous? Really? Are you stupid? I'm sorry you're embarrassed at your misspelling and lashing out. I find it funny. No one thinks less of you for it. Bring down the ego a bit, idiot.
Goodnight Kass doll! and sleep!? why never!!!!!!!!
I shall never surrender!
No, you're still a coward, because as I've said, anyone can take a name and still be anonymous. You, however, have posted here before. And for some reason are too afraid to say who you are.
That's pretty cool. ^_^
Hello Jules! Hello Elena! Hello Kass! Just checking in for a sec.
Why hello there, Marie.
O_O
Oops! Sorry, Cupcake. Hello to you, too!!!
Perhaps they have no choise in letting him speak. I'm sure there are things about the band that we don't know.
Judging half the population? Not really. Spouting off stupid shit...yeah.
Look all I'm saying is I always believe that unless you walk in someones shoes you don't truly know their life. I don't know what goes on in GW's mind. I don't know what truly goes on in his life.
I just hope that he finds true happiness. I hope he finds what he seems to be searching for cause it doesn't seem like he has.
Of course I'm still searching so I'm a fine one to talk.
Hiya Princess! How's it?
No, Elena, I do realize that it would be hard for any of the other guys to do anything about his behavior. I mean, to commit career suicide over it? Tough choice.
But no one is saying anything.
And me, I don't have to "walk in another person's shoes" and just forgive them when they are being ignorant and intolerant. I had pity for him once. It ended with this started.
I judge people by their actions. He's judging people by their gender.
Your level of paranoia is amusing.
You assume I am 1. Someone who has posted here before. and 2. Someone who is hiding and too afraid to say who I am, all because I corrected your embarrassing spelling error.
Your ego tickles me. Do you realize how crazy you sound right now? I doubt it, or you wouldn't continue.
Hello, X_X.
I was forgotten! gah!... but then remembered! hurrah!
Hi hun :)
This just shows we are different in our approach to life. I am the way I am and you are the way you are. Everyone is different and that's okay.
I just feel there are things going on in the band that we don't know about.
I look at GW and see someone struggling. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope that I am wrong.
Elena said...
This just shows we are different in our approach to life. I am the way I am and you are the way you are. Everyone is different and that's okay.
I just feel there are things going on in the band that we don't know about.
I look at GW and see someone struggling. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope that I am wrong.
-I don't know which I'd prefer, that he was a bastard, end of story, or a sad and pathetic broken man... either way people are hurt.
Yep, I was like wait a minuite......
CUPCAKE!!!!
Ok, as far as old GW is concerned. I gave him a hard time for a while. I would still like to punch him and then squeeze him. I'm not sure which he needs more. As far as being done with MCR because of some things he's said? Never.
If that's the case, I might as well never turn on the tv or the radio. People disappoint me. I'm sure I disappoint as well.
Will I give up on him? Nope. Did he ask for my undying support? Nope. Does it matter? Nope.
Ok, obviously I meant turn OFF the tv and radio.
Duh.
Damn, just forget what I said totally.
I CAN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND MY OWN WRITING!!!!
Will I give up on him? Nope. Did he ask for my undying support? Nope. Does it matter? Nope.
That sums it up for me too!!!!
Elena said...
Will I give up on him? Nope. Did he ask for my undying support? Nope. Does it matter? Nope.
That sums it up for me too!!!!
- Gah.... count me in on that. I'd still like to punch him, and most likely would, but I don't give up on people, even strangers who couldn't care less.
Allie Oops!
Wrong!
Again!
hey everyone
Actually, I rather liked my spelling error. "Zenophobia." I think it's hilarious. I think you're hilarious, too.
Elena said:
I look at GW and see someone struggling. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope that I am wrong.
He's struggled before, and he did so without being a sexist pig.
Like, those words really hurt. Attack me because of things I've done, things in my control, things you don't like about me as a person. But to speak to someone with such meanness simply because they are women, that hurts. Especially coming from someone who used to speak out against that kind of thing.
And it's not as if he doesn't know what he's saying, either, because he's tried subtly to defend it. Except, how he keeps flying the feminism banner is what is so destructive. There are bigger issues in the world than one rock star and his "OH, WOE!" issues. How women are treated is one of those issues and he's spitting all over it. He knows his fanbase is comprised largely of young girls.
Now if he pulls out the "It's just a joke!" those girls will mostly go, "LULZIES oh Gerard you are so funny and hot!!" (See: Buzznet.) And if he pulls "I'm just pushing the boundaries" he gets "OH Gerard you are so edgy and hot!!!" Those young girls eat up everything he says and he's even said in the past that he realizes this fact.
I can't support someone who is so hypocritical and destructive, someone who is going to hate on me because of my gender. That really, really hurts.
Silly little woman.
BC!!!!!!!!!! *tackle hug*
How are ya?
What did Gerard do now? I have some reviewing to do.
Now if he pulls out the "It's just a joke!" those girls will mostly go, "LULZIES oh Gerard you are so funny and hot!!" (See: Buzznet.) And if he pulls "I'm just pushing the boundaries" he gets "OH Gerard you are so edgy and hot!!!" Those young girls eat up everything he says and he's even said in the past that he realizes this fact.
- He pulls any of that and I'll hunt him down and kick his ass! grrr.
Still... I still care. Bugger it all! lol
Veritavenom!
Wow it's been a while!
Cupcake, ol' delicious one how are you? I missed you. *tackles hug back*
Hey there VV. Long time, no see. How are you? PPU, if you are still here, thanks for clearing that up.
Kapunua, you know you have my support in this.
I'm going to go review here.
Verita! yay! The link is up there somewhere. Basically you know how people were saying "Oh, it's not sexist because he's saying it to the whole audience?" Well it's clear now, by his own words, that he was directing it at women.
Oh, I saw your question on your blog. My guess was that Quinn had it in for Gerard for the same reason many people have turned him away: crap like this.
I could be way, way off because I don't know much about Quinn. Other than that I used to think he was a trouble maker, but lately my respect for him has grown. I like the dude.
Hi Cupcake. Hi Avenger. Do I know you?
Verita, it started with this:
nonymous said...
http://zombieelle.livejournal.com/3168.html
"Boogity Boogity Boogity Boogity! I want to hear all the ladies fuck themselves (Elle says to Kate: "oh dear god hear we go." Because we all know what stuff happens during prison intros)
Because I'll have you know I fuck myself on a daily basis. It goes like this.
You're gonna touch yourself make it sound convincible
Ladies…you're gonna spend most of the rest of your lives doing this.
This is what it sounds like.
uh uh uh uh uh. let me here you go"
*crowd erupts into noises*"
That's right. The ladies. JUST the ladies.
VV, it's me, BC. Just changed the name. How are you? :)
I'm pretty good thanks BC!
I hurt my back trying to lift boxes of music mags and comics, but now I'm sitting comfy, so tis all good...
Wow that was a long boring description of how I am!
Wow, thank you, K. That's pretty..... Harsh to say the least.
Does anyone remember the interview where Frank supported MSI?
Oh, hi BC! It's good to hear from you again. How have you been.
Kapunua said...
Verita, it started with this:
nonymous said...
http://zombieelle.livejournal.com/3168.html
"Boogity Boogity Boogity Boogity! I want to hear all the ladies fuck themselves (Elle says to Kate: "oh dear god hear we go." Because we all know what stuff happens during prison intros)
Because I'll have you know I fuck myself on a daily basis. It goes like this.
You're gonna touch yourself make it sound convincible
Ladies…you're gonna spend most of the rest of your lives doing this.
This is what it sounds like.
uh uh uh uh uh. let me here you go"
*crowd erupts into noises*"
That's right. The ladies. JUST the ladies.
- I didn't see that! oh that little fuck! At the concert I went to he told everyone he wanted to hear them fuck themselves and I grumbled something along the lines of... well I wont repeat it.
But that's all he did.
Now this REALLY pisses me off.
That's good cupcake. How are you enjoying the new year so far? VV, I'm doing okay, thanks for asking, but I'm exhausted and tired. couldn't sleep last night. I'm too tired to give a flying fuck what Gerard did. I don't give a shit at the moment. How are you?
Happy birthday bobo! I need to go find that funny picture of him
I just know it was in November, Verita. Like the first week in November or something. *goes to check*
November 7th.
But I rather get the feeling that Frank was put on the spot. Yeah, it just about gutted me, and the dude is allowed to like whatever band he wants to like. I know people who like MSI too. I'm not totally sure that Frank does though, and I think maybe he was just put on the spot.
But yeah, I agree that you do have to stand up to your friends sometimes. I mean, Dumbledore said so. ;D
Cupcake, see that's what I'm on about. How he is singling out women for degradation.
Verita, if you want to see some of my rantiness, it is at 11:57. ^_^
And if he pulls "I'm just pushing the boundaries" he gets "OH Gerard you are so edgy and hot!!!" Those young girls eat up everything he says and he's even said in the past that he realizes this fact.
Of course he ralizes this. He knows that everything that comes out of his mouth, every action he performs gets attention. Don't you think this wears on him? I can't begin to imagine how that would be. I'm pretty sure I would hate it. Did he ask for this? Some would say because of who he is that he did. I don't think so. I believe he went into the band with pure intentions. Somewhere along the line things began to spiral out of control. Now no matter what he does or says "It's damned if he does and damned if he don't"
Am I upset by some of his words? Fuck yeah I am. Do I believe he truly means them? That is the sticking point for me. Deep down I don't think he does. I think he is trying to be someone he's not. Why he's doing it is anyones guess and yeah I have a lot of guesses on that one. This all goes back to my belief he's struggling.
Do I believe he truly hates women to the point of disrespect? Nope.
Do I think he would hate me because I'm a woman? Nope.
Do I think he's made some poor choices? Yep
I guess bottom line is I want to believe he will find his way back to the person he was. The person I believe he truly still is deep inside.
I thought this picture of bobert might be funny, but what do you guys think?
http://www.buzznet.com/www/search
/photos
/Bob%20Bryar
/?id=31618331#pagesubnav
kapunua said...
But no one is saying anything.
Not true.
Anonymous, I admit that I'm just taking guesses based on what it looks like. Do you have any idea how much that hurts to hear people you used to admire--people who used to defend your gender--turn on you like that?
I'm speaking from disappointment and hurt. What are you speaking from?
So far 2008 is messy and exiting BC :)
Kapunua said:
Cupcake, see that's what I'm on about. How he is singling out women for degradation.
- I am very mad about that. Very.
But I still care.... damn me and my caring...
Elena, I wish I could believe that, too. But i have never in my life witnessed someone change their entire set of values so quickly. THe only thing that makes any kind of sense to me was that he never believed them in the first place. Because you just don't let go of convictions like that if your heart is in the right place to begin with.
Like these celebrities who all of a sudden go nuts and start spewing racist things. Mel Gibson, Michael Richards. "Oh, the stress got to me." "Oh, I was drunk." "I was freaking out.
Sure. But those things don't come out of your mouth unless they're in your head in the first place.
Disappointment.
That's good cupcake.
I am looking forward to the new year.
See, Gerard's not stupid. He has to know how much it hurts for a woman with no blinders on to be told things like that, especially by someone who used to champion women and still claims to.
Moan for me, touch yourselves, amuse me. It's a joke. You're a joke. This is what you'll be doing all your life.
That really, really hurts.
Kapunua, thanks for the info. I just read your "epic' post from last night.
You say things better than I do. So I ask you, do you mind if I make another post and I quote you? Now understand that if you say yes, you are probably going to get treated the way I get treated.
I will not quote your entire thing and I will take out the lyrics and make one small correction. And I will take out your personal message to your friend Mayo.
But you will still get attacked so I understand it if you say no. :)
Sure. But those things don't come out of your mouth unless they're in your head in the first place.
Actually, that's not always true k. Sometimes I say the wrong things when I am angry about something, without thinking of how my words could affect others, or planning on saying them. Sometimes I say whatever comes to mind in order to hurt others.
BC 2008 will be wonderful, trust me, I know!..
Ohh it's like I'm from the future!
Anon@1:13, I get that, I do. But this really hurts, can you see that? I mean, it did before, but now that it's obvious that he's singling out women for this, how can it even go on?
I have been that friend in that really bad spot, too. What do you do when your friends change? You are disappointed, you confront them. But what do you do when your friend does a really public and embarrassing 180? One that hurts a whole group of people? And if you don't support them or at least pretend to, your entire career could be at an end?
Well, I have never been in that spot, I admit. And I really don't envy that position. But to the outside observer, it doesn't look nice.
You know, what pisses me off is how he's coming up with stupid excuses for his behavior, especially getting the audience to moan for him.
I always believe that you have to be responsible for your own actions, because whatever comes out of your mouth can sometimes have dire consequences.
As I mentioned a while back, if he keeps up with that stupid behavior, you can bet I will never go to a mcr concert again.
Cupcake, as far as I'm concerned, you *are* in the future! I'm stuck in the present for now. Ha ha ;p
Kapunua here is where I go back to my belief that I can't judge until I walk in someones shoes.
Will I ever understand what it is like to be famous? To have that kind of pressure put on me?
Hell no I won't. I won't ever know what it's like to have my every action watched. I will never know what it's like to have my every word listened to over and over again. I can't begin to understand what that is like. I can only imagine and what I imagine isn't good. I would hate it.
As for someone changing so quickly. I've seen it happen before especially when stress and depression are involved. People can change overnight because of these factors. It's just my belief that when this happens it doesn't make the way they've changed who they truly are.
Look I don't begin to say I understand Gerard Way. All I'm saying is that to me it looks like the guy has so many different things going on in his life that are affecting him and not in a good way.
Verita, my answer is yes, as long as you take out the message to my friend Mayo, yes, you can. ^_^
OMG, typo? WHAT? NEVAAAR.
BC, that's true of me, too. But this guy is not saying it out of anger or being irrational. He has said it at every recent concert. Keep that in mind. This is planned. You don't lose your cool the exact same time, the exact same way and say the exact same derogatory things for weeks in a row.
And I'd be willing to bet that when you lose your cool and say the wrong thing, the words coming out of your mouth are not bias words against a group of people.
BC I've missed his stupid excuses, I've missed a lot! anything else he's been saying?
Yeah, that's true K.
Cupcake, That comment that K just posted about him saying about those antics he was claiming it was only a "joke." I think it's bullshit, but honestly, I am going to steer clear of this and keep my judge ments to myself. At least for the time being.
It's not my place to judge him or anyone else. At least not yet.
At PR, I was planning on giving Frank a letter about this, but I never got the chance. I still have it saved in my room somewhere.
Elena, that's true. But what he's saying is affecting a lot of young girls in a negative way. He's just one screwed up guy. If he really isn't as "HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY" as he says he is and he is cracking up, he is still degrading women, and he's still doing it under the flag of feminism. So when someone's personal crisis turns him into a sexist pig--one who has the ear of thousands of 14 year old girls who lap up everything he does--hey, the greater good, you know? I'm sorry, but I care more about the people he's hurting. He has no right to take out his frustrations on everyone else.
And by the way, anon. There have been people pretending to be disappointed around these parts. Just want to put that out there.
Fair enough BC. :)
K, that's true. Tis is why he should keep his mouth shut and keep his personal frustrations in private life, not take it out on someone. And that's all I have to say. Bitching about him will only bring me migraines lol
cupcake, I was thinking of building a time machine into the future, but what's the point? I only have to wait at least 12 or so hours and I'm already there ^__^
Cupcake, I don't think I said this yet, but you are really adorable :)
But BC, if you build the time machine you can go to the year 2009.... or if you're really adventurous, 2010!
Anyway, this is what I was saying to some friends earlier.
I do feel terrible for Frank, I know he's got to be in an awful spot. I know that he'd basically have to throw away his career if he were to say something publicly. It's just that, no one is standing up against this dude and he's saying such destructive things. All he, or anyone has to do is say, "Gerard, that kind of talk hurts. It makes me uncomfortable, can you please stop?"
I mean would he seriously, seriously keep doing it if someone just straight up told him that?
That's where I'm torn. Because I have no idea.
Awwww BC!!!!!!!!!!
*giant hugs*
So are you!!!!!!
I'm all overwhelmed!
K, exactly.
Aww cupcake, thank you *hugs Cupcake back*
Kapunua, I feel that.
BC, all the hugging is making 2008 even nicer. XD
Aww cupcake, I'm glad it's doing that. *more hugs*
We might have a dinner for new year's and I'm crossing my fingers for that. Christmas was too somber for me this time around. I'm hoping new year's the mood will become festive.
Sounds good BC :)
Well people, I'm off to have a shower, i shall return, unless there is some weird event.....
*hugs for all*
xoxo cupcake
Tch! I was just about to go over and see Boychild but he is going for a nap. Ah well. Guess I will have to wait.
Should probably do that laundry and housework I had mentioned earlier. >_<
Take care Cupcake. Enjoy your shower :)
Elena, if you are still here, I forgot to say hi. Hi!
OK, so that post is up. It is also aat Buzznet. Let the games and the harassment begin. Kapunua, thank you for allowing me to borrow your words.
I hope you all have a great new year, good luck in 08. See you around! :)
Hey BC
I'm sorta here. I pop in and then I go back and play Rock Band. I love it but I now have a new respect for good old Bob. I'm trying to play the drums and I suck!
VV, take care and have a great new year as well. Stay safe and healthy, and all that shit. See you around! Elena, i'm doing the same, but right now I'm adding some songs to my Ipod, so I'm going back and forth. I wish you all the best in mustering the drums. You can do it! :)
I'm going to say it again: Happy B-day Bobo! I hope he's not hurting his arm again
Hey guys :) hey BC (mum) :)
Just wanted to wish every one Happy New Year!! Im getting ready to go out and celebrate so i will see you all next year!!
Much Love, Kisses and Hugs :) Byeeee xxx
Hey there shame in me, my lovely daughter. I hope you are doing well. If you're going to celebrate the new year, stay safe young lady! I wish you a Happy New Year's as well. Take care. Much love and hugs,
Your mummy
BC :)
P.S. I want you back here safe and sound at midnight young lady :)
Elena,
I know exactly what you are saying and agree with you.
I am not giving up on G. or the band. We don't know what has been going on, what has been said, or what anyone has been thinking.
I don't like the persona that has come out on stage, either. I hate that the person who used to stand up for what he believed in is making the comments he is now. But I do NOT believe this is how he really feels.
I don't know if he has convinced himself that the stage and real life are different, so it doesn't matter what is said as a "rock star" as long as off stage he backs up the old beliefs, but it is not alright.
I don't condone it, I don't like it.
But I care too much about the PERSON to crucify him for words said over a few months time.
See, I believe there is a good, kind soul in that man. A good heart. And I don't give up on that.
No one is all saint or all sinner. We ALL make mistakes and do things we are not proud of. It doesn't make us evil or horrible people to just write off.
It just means we are human, and sometimes life gets out of control.
As for the rest of the band, we have NO idea what they have been saying or doing about the situation. I can only imagine what they have been going through, especially Frank and Mikey.
I believe with all my heart that SOMEONE has been talking to him. Probably almost every day.
For the past six fucking years.
And at times, that one person was possibly the ONLY person talking to him. But he has yet to abandon him.
I don't think we can even begin to imagine what that person has gone through.
It would be hypocritical for any of us to slag them off without knowing the whole situation.
If you only listen to yourself, how can you hear anyone else?
Toujours,
You are not alone. Don't think you are. And don't be afraid to say it. I applaud your comment this morning. It was heartfelt and beautiful.
Anon at 1:13,
I know, sweetie. Keep trying.
Love. Hope. Faith.
L.
AND....
HAPPY BIRTHDAY BOB!!!
(Gotta get the Bob love in...) ^_~
Love,
L.
Hi all.
The only crazy person I see, is someone who has so much time on their hands, that they can sit by a computer waiting to correct someone on their spelling.
RIAA needs to be taken down. They are nothing but a bunch of greedy pigs.
L it's good to see you.
I'm glad we are in agreement about GW.
I just know the good man is still there somewhere inside. I just don't know why we can't see him anymore.
I truly hope 2008 brings him the true happiness he seems to be searching so hard for.
Hi there OP. As for your comment, I absolutely agree. I am angry at what Gerard has said and done the past few months, but I will keep my judgements aside. Nothing is simple as black and white, but shades of gray and for now we only know one side of the story. I have to be honest, what makes me feel a little bad is that you have people who may favor others from other bands just because they may not be doing the same shit as Gerard has. I don't like that kind of praise, but I won't persecute others for it. I only think it's not fair to him. He fucks up just like the rest of us, although I am not excusing his behavior. That only makes the problem much worse.
My opinions are obviously not as easy as just simple black and white views. I try to see it on both sides, not just one. It sucks sometimes.
Very much Elena, (great lightsaber by the way!)
I wonder if HE can see the good man inside anymore. I often wonder if he thinks he deserves any of the kind words, so he goes out of his way to be the "bad guy".
It takes so much to figure out who you really are and to be happy with yourself. I hope he can see that for himself one day.
How are you doing today?
And Hello, BC, Martha, SIM, anyone I missed.
Love,
L.
Hi there MJ how are you? I agree those RIAA are a group of greedy corporate motherfuckers. I'd be the first to say it, I burn songs on blank cds' on my computer!!!! How do you like that?!
As far as Gerard is concerned, I still do believe that he has a good heart. I know he does. I think he's just lost at the moment. There's always light at the end of the tunnel right?
It is true, BC, that there is rarely black and white views, opinions or answers for anything. There is almost always a grey area.
It's like with any kind of disagreement. There is usually one person's side, the other person's side. And the the truth almost always lies in-between.
How are you today?
L.
Happy NYE and Bob's Birthday.
I want to believe that the good guy is still in there. I think that is one of the reason I haven't given up on him or the band yet. It's just hard because when you listen to MCR it's his voice that you hear. That voice that said some really inspirational things in the past. But now is saying nothing but crap.
I believe that people are saying things to him. But he wants to do what he wants to do.
I never thought that that the things I say would get back to him. Most of what I say isn't for him but for me. I'm fight with myself to continue to love this band.
Also just because someone is stress or drunk or can't deal the fame they have is no excuse for bad behavior. They have money so they can pay to get the help they need. But instead they act out and ruin their careers.
I have no money so I can always get the help I need when I'm stressed. But I don't run out in the middle of the street acting like a spoil child to deal with I find other way.
I'm going to get a bite of lunch, but I (and J.) will be back on later.
I just wanted to put another viewpoint out there as well.
Talk to you guys later,
Love,
L.
Hello and goodbye L. hello Elena, Kapu and BC
OP, exactly. To me, black and white does not exist. Nothing is as simple as that. Aside from lack of sleep, I'm doing okay, but I must start on my chores soon.
Take care OP. Enjoy your lunch.
The world of rock is for the most part a Men's Club. Gerard never has been and never will be macho. Maybe he equates being manly with being a sexist jerk. I guess being the sensitive artistic type isn't cool enough for his new image as a RockStar.
Hello is there anyone out there?
Anon I hope that's not true. Cause truthfully there is nothing sexier than a sensitive artistic type.
Macho guys are a dime a dozen.
Mother BC i will be back next year! ahaha i cant come home before 12 or there isnt any point being out haha
Just waiting for my lift now dum dum dee dee
Hey MJ :)
Hey Elena Happy New Year too you!!! :)
Anon@1:13, you know, I'm not sure who you are, but I just want to point out that we've had, err, fakers come in just to try to prove a point. I don't know if you're aware of this. But if it is you, I want you to know that it's become hard to "hear" you because of those people. It's part of why everyone gets treated with suspicion. As soon as people start junk like that, it starts to go to hell. You just don't know who's who anymore. You think you're talking to a friend and it ends up you're not.
It blows.
Elena said...
Macho guys are a dime a dozen.
OMG you have called this on yourself. ;D
She said "don't,
don't let it go to your head
Boys like you are a dime a dozen,
Boys like you are a dime a dozen"
She said
"you're a touch overrated,
you're a lush and I hate it!"
happy new year kapunua :)
Happy New year to you too Mayonaise :)
Hope it really is a HAPPY year for you
Hi SIM! I will be, well, prolly here around midnightish. ^_^
Gerard did the 'orgasm bit' at my show and I couldn't believe how loud the girls around me screamed. But they were mostly young teenagers so probably didn't know any better.
i found the "girls fuck yourselves" video. whoever the fan was who quoted what gerard said got it wrong if you watch the video. he didn't single out the girls. plus i think what he meant by "girls you will be doing this for the rest of your lives" is the joke about how most woman fake orgasms. nonetheless what he said was stupid and inappropriate.
http://www.youtube.com/
watch?v=v-wKGErRYEQ
The world of rock is for the most part a Men's Club. Gerard never has been and never will be macho. Maybe he equates being manly with being a sexist jerk. I guess being the sensitive artistic type isn't cool enough for his new image as a RockStar.
I agree, I hope one day he'll realize that one of the reasons his band became so popular is because everyone felt they could relate to an outsider and outcast. Those who only wanted his p33n came later and they'll leave just as surely as they came. He needs to stop pandering to them.
I imagine Frankie is the only one who would call him out on his onstage behavior. I honestly can't imagine him thinking it is cool as Gerard obviously does as I think Frankie really respects women and would never objectify them as sex objects and that makes him more of a man in my book. Frankie is quite fiery and I think he is the only one who could match Gerard's temper in a fight and be the only one in the band Gerard couldn't shout down. I don't think that means the others don't care what Gerard is doing on stage I think it is just easier for them to ignore it. I think Frank still loves Gerard as a friend but has lost some respect for him lately judging by their onstage chemistry. We will never know what happens offstage but Gerard seems so stubborn I think he wouldn't take kindly to being asked to stop and would probably do it all the more.
Thank you for at least finding that video, anon. That doesn't sting quite so badly (although is ridiculous and hard to listen to,) but it doesn't change the fact that he's been doing this for most of the last tour. And it's still degrading to women.
Well, and by "women" I mean, yes, "women" but since it's mostly the pre-teens he's doing this to, I have to add in "little girls."
You should take a name, this is ridiculous and disconcerting, talking to some blank screen. Have you been here before? "Lurked from the beginning / never commented yet?" "Found this website from a friend?" What? It's rude to bust into a room like the Kool Aid Pitcher and jump into a conversation without even a nod towards a courteous introduction.
That said,
Anonymous said...
I imagine Frankie is the only one who would call him out on his onstage behavior. I honestly can't imagine him thinking it is cool as Gerard obviously does as I think Frankie really respects women and would never objectify them as sex objects and that makes him more of a man in my book.
From an outsider's perspective, I see it the same way. Or at least I can imagine it like that and I think Frank is a really together dude and a good man.
Frankie is quite fiery and I think he is the only one who could match Gerard's temper in a fight and be the only one in the band Gerard couldn't shout down. I don't think that means the others don't care what Gerard is doing on stage I think it is just easier for them to ignore it.
I guess I just don't understand how you could ignore something you objected to.
I think Frank still loves Gerard as a friend but has lost some respect for him lately judging by their onstage chemistry.
I noticed that all the way back in August when I saw them, before this whole "moan for me" debacle began. However. I'm just watching from an outsider perspective and I always have to remind myself that I could be seeing what I wanted to see. I could be looking through Frank-admiration-colored glasses. I just don't know.
We will never know what happens offstage but Gerard seems so stubborn I think he wouldn't take kindly to being asked to stop and would probably do it all the more.
I can see that, too, but don't you think that something as simple as, "Can you please stop? That's so embarrassing and it bothers me," would be enough to a reasonable person?
I mean, could he really be that much of a tyrant?
I think that anon who posted the quotes took them from more than one show. Because I do remember seeing a video where he did say only the girls.
Sorry I didn't mean to barge in I was just trying to join in. This is one thing I feel strongly about is the change for the worse in Gerard since PR.
I don't think it's about him being a tyrant. It maybe more about people wanting to keep the peace and thinking it's none of their business.
Well then anon, why not give at least a courtesy nod to "hey guys this is who I am and why I'm joining you."
Yes I agree. I don't know why he would still do it if the rest of the band didn't feel comfortable with it. Maybe they are ok with it but for some reason I just find that hard to believe.I like how you used the word tyrant, I can imagine him being a control freak with an evil temper and everyone being afraid to piss him off!
I see I'm not welcome here I'm sorry I only commented as I feel he has been a jerk since PR. I'll go back to lurking now. Happy New Year!
Hey guys. How's it going?
Still abnormally giddy. It is Bob's day today and nothing will ruin it for me. Nothing, I say. That blonde is made of win.
Regarding Gerard being a tyrant:
My daughter likes to imagine Gerard ordering Frank around, making him run to Starbucks and febreezing his stage clothes. She is 10 and thinks that's how stars behave.
Anon you are welcome here. It is just easier if you have a name so when there are 3-4 anons we know who we are talking to.
Your going to hate me for this Kapu so I'm sorry. Because I dont want to sign in and make more trouble but I HAVE to say this. Who knows maybe you won't be mad. Who knows.
HOW COME..... you called someone an idiot and the OPS said that you were bad mean and angry and saying godawful things..... but when Gerard does it its all 'oh he is still such a good person and we love him and want to help him so much......'
Plus they were the one's slagging off his wife the worst in the last post. It seems wrong.
I AM SORRY. I know you're supposed to be brave and post things with your real name but I don't want ot start any more shit I just had to say it.
OK you can forget it all now and let it go but I HAD to say it because it's been bothering me.
I think Frank is just keeping his mouth shut as he is still trying to make amends for writing a certain letter.
That's all Gerard is now. Just another bullshit rock star. Not the genuine, honest human being that I admired. Just a rock star.
I'd love a second letter, to tell you the truth.
The letter got through to him once, didn't it? Why not try again?
That Kapu person is a bitch.
I'm pretty sure that Tiff didn't know that Kapu really was over 30 and lived in her parents' basement.
Andrea, isn't Alie a reporter or something for TMZ? I'm pretty sure she knows how to spell.
Power to the Alie.
What the hell?
undercoverbrother can you please take your problems with Kapu some place else. You don't like Kapu fine. But we as in most of the other people here don't want to hear it.
I know I said I was going back to lurking but I just wanted to say about the letter, I actually heard from a reliable source that it was Frank and CJ or Frank and Brian who wrote that letter together (Brian def knew about it anyway) Frank and CJ are good friends and although neither liked Eliza, the point of the letter was to reassure the fans that Eliza wouldn't destroy the band not to slag off Eliza.
I think it's so retarded how once you ask someone who the hell they are and say, you know, it's rude to jump into a conversation without even so much as a "hello, this is who I am and I couldn't help overhearing what you guys were talking about," they get all, "I see I'm not welcome. I'll just take my toys and leave."
I appreciate your gesture, anon, but no one here is so scary that you can't put your name to your words. It's just the internet.
Anon @ 6:17 you are welcome to post here if you so like. It would just be nice to have away of telling the difference between anons.
Yeah, well, now I pretty much need reassurance that Gerard's destructive behavior isn't going to ruin the band.
Thank you Martha Jones. I'm not scared of anything I just don't have a blog I'm afraid.
If you look at pictures of her not only is she a bitch, but ugly too. And lies about everything.
hello kapu and CTV.
Anonymous said...
Thank you Martha Jones. I'm not scared of anything I just don't have a blog I'm afraid.
It has nothing to do with having a blog. Like I said: this is ridiculous and disconcerting, talking to some blank screen. Have you been here before? "Lurked from the beginning / never commented yet?" "Found this website from a friend?" What? It's rude to bust into a room like the Kool Aid Pitcher and jump into a conversation without even a nod towards a courteous introduction.
Hi MJ, CTV. Plans for this evening?
You're not welcome here with that sort of behavior and attitude. That was really uncalled for.
Anon 1 @ 6:25 you are welcome.
Anon 2 @ 6:25 go away. like I said if you have a problem with Kapu take it some place else.
Hello MJ, Kapunua, and anyone else.
I'm going to be spending New Years Eve with a bunch of friends and my family. I have to go really soon, actually. What about you guys?
Remember MCR performing last year? I remember seeing Gerard with that dorky haircut for the first time and just died laughing. That was awful haha.
No plans for me Kapu how about you?
Have a fun time CTV, be safe.
My party was last night and it was really, really cool. ^_^ I have to work tomorrow so. I'm not partial to NYE anyway. It's just another day.
BUT! I do hope to get to CHinatown for the Lunar new year. Every year my training brothers and I say we're going to go and we've only managed it one time. But this year I'm going to push the issue. Damn it, we're going.
RAY, you know I love you, but don't come in here and start that shit. Seriously, I will pull your hair.
Kapunua, I'm sorry. Alie and Undercoverbrother are my friends. Alie didn't realize she was being offensive initially, and Undercoverbrother will always jump in and defend her no matter what. I'm trying to educate them in the ways of this blog family, since they are new to the scene. Please have patience. They are good people, really.
Well ctv and kapu I hope you have fun with your plans.
Thanks, Kapunua. That sounds really neat. I wish I could go somewhere like that.
Hello andrea
Hello MJ.
I'm only here right now because I'm trying to keep the peace.
This is what happens when worlds collide.
"You're killing independent George!"
Hey Andrea. How's it going?
"You're killing independent George!"
LOL. Totally got that.
Awesome. I'm glad somebody around here is a Seinfeld watcher!
Thanks, Andrea, no worries between us.
CTV, oh man, there's nothing like Chinatown in NCY during the lunar new year. It's a spectacle, so fantastic. You can barely move, there's confetti everywhere, so thick in the streets it feels like you're walking on a carpet. The different kinds of food you can find, the random lion-dances up close, it's all totally amazing. I love it. ^_^
Well you guys, I've got to get going now. I hope you guys have a happy and safe New Year.
See you tomorrow and take care!
G'night CTV. Happy New Year.
I'm heading out too. Hopefully independent George will live for another day.
Goodbye CTV and Happy NYE
HAPPY NEW YEAR ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!
TO ALL ME ENGLISH BUDS, HAVE A FANTASTIC TIME AND I WILL SEE YOU ALL IN 2008. KEEP IT WARM FOR US OVER HERE
Wpt-rnpt nfr!!!!!!!!!
To everyone in the UK. I hope 2008 is a great one for everybody.
hello FS and Miss t. How are you guys.
Hi MJ, I'm good. How are you?
I'm watching Take That perform a special new years show. I still love Take That.
I'm well Miss t. I'm watching Law and Order CI
Hello KD how are you and happy NYE to you and Miss t.
Hi KD, how are you sweetie?
MJ, I love Law and order CI.
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