I spread out the cloth for the dishes to lay.
The chipped rims and faded patterns
of plates that held the sustenance
of our years, pulled from the hutch.
Once careful, I now slam them down hard.
And it feels good that way.
The sharp clink of ceramic
greater comfort than the quiet smooth edges.
I wrap the sharp and cold pieces for trash
swallowing more pride than food.
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Mine I'm not good with the typing tonight.Totally missed the word, skipped the misspelling.
SC, please tell me you are kidding? ;)
lol 1003 comments, we all deserve medals for this great achievement=]
Mayo will be shocked I'm sure.
Maybe Mayo will finally turn into Miracle Whip :D
I hate to say this but with out knowing who the person is couldn't they just get anew account.
^Hahaha!
Well, that is if they are stupid enough to not register for one.Who knows? it could be Mayo in disguise
lol. I wish BC!
What time is it where you guys are? 4:15 here in Winnipeg, and its freezing and I am shivering like a goose=]
Mayo can finally move up the ranks into *real* mayonaise! :D
yes,im kidding
no worries
#4
Ok, I was'nt laughing at you martha, 'cause what you said was'nt funny but true.
That was directed to the miracle whip comment.
It is 4:16 here. I didn't know people could shiver like a goose lol I have alot of Canadian geese over here where I live and sometimes I could hear them in the morning when I'm sleeping
We don't know who M is could this Latin anon be warning us about that person. Because I don't think the stocker and Mr. Latin are the same person.
SC, you are such a jokester :)
Martha, that is what I had thought as well earlier when I checked those comments. It may be two different people..
2:18 am and i know entropy.
It is 4:16 here. I didn't know people could shiver like a goose lol I have alot of Canadian geese over here where I live and sometimes I could hear them in the morning when I'm sleeping
lol. It's possible BC=] I love watching the geese fly south for the winter, sometimes I wish it were me=]
The weather here is unbelievable. In the winter, we could get -50C. It's freezing. I'd recommend any one of you trying to stay here for the whole winter, I don't think you'd be able to last:P
Wow, that is super ultra cold paperheart. How do you manage to stay warm?
So latin anon is warning you about stocking anon?
Uhmm I wear a lot of layers really=] I mean A LOOOOOOOOOT if layers.
Thats what I think. that one is warning us about the other.
Entropy, I am not exactly sure, but stocking anon does not seem to be a threat. He only thinks that I like him or something.If Latin anon is posting a warning, I am not sure who it is directed at.
I did post a Latin comment to the stocking anon. It may be stupid if you translate it, but let's just say I am trying an experiment ;)
That is what I think as well entropy and martha.. but why? this latin anon must know who stocker anon is then..
paperheart, that is ALOTTTTTTTT of layers ;D
Stocking anon is not threatening me so why is latin anon is?
Please do not let this turn into a soap opera lol
I think you told the anon you love him.
lol. I know eh?;) (wow that sounded sooo Canadian)
Haha I don't want to make any assumptions, last time I did was when M was here.
... I love you = "EGO diligo vos
Yes I did martha, but I am only trying an experiment. I want to see whether or not those two anons are the same
...or whether only one of them knows Latin. From there I can distinguish whether or not they are the same person.
Ooh good experiment BC=]
OK, I was like what the hell. that's odd.
well,im off club/cult members
#4
use some karate,if needed bleeding chaos
like this (whaaaaa!)chop chop
my next post will be to mayonaise in response to towel and tribulations
Haha I don't want to make any assumptions, last time I did was when M was here.
I know exactly how you feel!!
Haha,I'm laughing but I really regret opening my mouth last time.
Ha ha, martha I wouldn't tell a stranger I love him, but of course I do love you guys :)
The people in the morning are going to shit a gold brick when they see what happened and the number of comments.
Bye SC! Goodnight!(if you're off to sleep)
Aww I am sad to see you go SC, but take care and have a good night and you bet I will use a karate chop(Hyyaaaaahhhh!!!) If not, there is always a Kitana sword.
Nighty night my fellow cult member :)
GOODNIGHT SOULCONNECTOR!
&&Exactly entropy!!
I agree martha!
Good night SC
The people in the morning are going to shit a gold brick when they see what happened and the number of comments.
Ohh I bet they will, then they'll come and join the Nocturnal kids. But they have to know that I am now and forever will be 007=]
^^ha ha that may be true paperheart
I think I'm getting too into this blog. Everytime this blog is quiet for a few minutes, all I'm thinking is something is going to happen! It's the calm before the storm thing right?
=]
Nothing better happen tomorrow I have to go to work.
mayonaise,
Ah… the quick fix of anger
fragile pieces are gone forever
somehow the stain remains
and that can make one ill
it didn’t need to come to this
what do you say…
live in the past or is there a future?
cult nocturnal #4
watch out the club is passing out love around here (laugh)
Now I don't want to go to sleep damn anon.
Martha, if something does happen, we will keep you up to date. You have my promise =)
Unfortunately, I may have to call it a night as well. It is almost 5 in the morning.
I am definitely off to bed now. It is 4:41 am and a little child like me should be in bed by now=]
I will talk to you all tomorrow, actually later on today!
Sweet dreams!
<3
P.S. Many hugs for all of the Nocturnal Kids=]
Aw, goodnight BC, well mourning.
But hope we figure out this whole anon business soon.
P.P.S Will you all keep me posted? I'm scared to come back later with over 1500 posts and then I'll get lost and confused..=]
-007
(I mostly just posted this to sign out using my number=])
Night paperheart!!
talk to you later. and hugs to everyone back!
I will PH.
(using your number is fun)
AWW hugs to you too my fellow Nocturnal Kid :) Also, hugs to the rest of my fellow cult members. Martha, Enthropy, and the rest of those who are still up. Good night guys and take care. Sweet dreams!
-The Nocturnal Leader. Detective Chaos
Entropy, we will figure out this anon business sooner or later. But hey, at least it is keeping our interest :)
Good night to all who are going to bed I will be up for awhile the Boondocks are coming on.
So it's just you and me martha.
Yes its just the two of us. I feel like a truck just came through here.
Haha.
I really can't believe how many comments there are.And this blog has'nt been up for 24 hours.
But a lot has happened. Man I'm glad I was here for it. I would hate to try to catch up on this one.
Oh, totally.
I was trying to catch up earlier when things were a little bit more than crazy, with the loveman and kyeotr. It was pretty hard to have it all sink in.(and still not get what the hell was going on)
For most of that I just lurked. I had things to do around the house and I was watching Torchwood.
Is torchwood a show only in the UK?
Cause i don't know if it was you that told me, that james martsers was suppose to be on there?
TO MAYO: less qq more pew pew
ps- for those not into internet slang..less emo more action...
It was someone else who said that. I'm watching it on BBC America right now. So James might be on season 2 I'm watching 1
This place is jumping tonight.
You're telling me.
Great night to stay up.
Already gone-thanks for translating, I would not have gotten that.
I wouldn't have either.
Random question:
Have you ever eaten paper?
Huh!? Who are you asking?
Hey martha, I'm heading to bed so goodnight! I'll be back here later today.
Hope you sleep well and hugs to my fellow cult/club member.
Alright you have a good night too. Hugs right back at you.
No, I don't eat paper.
Read between the lines.
As in Have I ever eaten my words?
Latet anguis in herba
Slytherins
WOW! I just got here, read all the comments and still don't know what is going on!
So BC has a secret admirer, who may or may not be a stalker. Then SS showed up (apparently because I cannot see any comments from him so maybe he deleted them. Does that mean he appeared with his signed in name?) and said in latin 'beware of the man.'
How do we know it was definately SS? After all the chaos last time, he probably would only use his logged in name to talk to us. There is no point appearing as an anon and then speaking in Latin, everyone will assume it is SS. If SS wanted to say something completely anonymously, he would just comment as anonymous in plain English. I think he has done it here a few times before tbh. I think this is someone just pretending to be SS to cause a stir. I won't believe anyone is SS unless they comment with SS's logged in name. Maybe I'm too suspicious but that's just me!
Did you shit a gold brick?
I shit enough to build me a house!
Well the post that got us in an uproar is gone. That sucks.
I wonder what happened to the people who asked me about the paper?
what post MJ?
oh my gosh, seems as if I missed a lot since google kicked me out last night and I hadn´t a chance to log in again...
so what did I miss?
Well its gone now. It was some Latin. We still have the translation. The nice one.
The nice one? What do you mean? Sorry to ask you so many questions. What name did they post under?
I will only say that it is no longer here. So there must be a reason for that. That is all I will say about that. I don't mind the questions.
Perhaps it will be pleasing sometime to have remembered these things(events)]
MJ, you are going to have to spell it out for me, I'm being dumb. :(
The person Deleted there post so I don't think they want people to know they posted. and the part at the bottom of my last post is what they said translated. It was nice so I don't understand why they deleted it. But because they did I won't say what they posted as. Sorry.
Thank you, it's a little clearer. Can you please tell me if they used a blue logged in name or just a black name?
I'm sorry I don't know if I should. But I will say this look at our reaction and than look how we react to the other Latin. I hope that will answer you question. I don't what is ok and not ok to give out. Once again I am sorry that I can't give you a straight answer at this time.
how is it possible, that I always miss everything? ^^
If stuff like this keeps happening I will be missing some of it too.
awesome ;) ^^
I've been up for a while so I'm going to take a nap. I hope to be back later. I'm sorry that I could answer your questions. Later.
see you martha jones :)
Bye MJ, thanks for helping me understand a bit more. I'm so lost!
Great to see you all hit 1000 posts overnight!
*party poppers*
hey PS, how are you? I think I need to take a few days away from these blogs cos they are making me insane. All the confusion makes it seem more real somehow. If it was fake it would be more, I don't know, it would have more of a path leading us somewhere I guess. And real life is not like that.
Shitsubou Shita deleted the comment.
:[
Oh well.
hi anon i'm good thankyou.
I'm going to have start coming in here less too , mainly because I start a full time job tomorrow :(
no more being a layabout student.
Sorry to hear SS deleted his comment CTV. I guess he chose to post on your blog because it was away from all the mayhem. But at least you got a very sweet response from him.
oh wait, were you talking about the comment on your blog or one in here?
there was a post in here from SS? oh that´s what i missed then and that´s what martha jones was talking about???
To SS, today I asked you a question, and I feel I may have backed you into a corner, so I am extending my apologizes to you.
Sometimes I get a bit testy over sensitive subjects.(it's in my Leo nature)
I appreciate you taking the time to read this.
oh my god! i couldn't believe how many comments were on here when i looked earlier! i couldn't read them all but had a good look thru. when it got to the bit where SS had made an appearance i was thinking where the fuck is it and looking up and down scratching my head. now i realise it was deleted. oh well!
just wanted to say (and some one may have already said it) but re the stuff as to may be gerard commenting at a certain time and then 3 hours later, and people saying it was some one in the uk or something. anyway he may be in the uk at the mo as MSI are here at the moment and MCR aren't doing anything til 24th oct, so you never know. or may be its just wishful thinking cos i live in england and i just like to breathe the air he is breathing! although its a bit polluted! haha!
lol farawaysoclose. that was funny. so anyway how is my lovely engalnd i miss it soooooooooooooo much.
i went to bed at 4.30am and assoon as i log out ss comes on. well thats just my luck isnt it. well i am glad its finally passed 1000. i think we should hold a party or kickball games in its honour lol
Idea:
When we all get going with massive posting that ends up being a chatroom, why don't we just make a chatroom? This way we don't end up with like over 1000 posts in Mayo's blog. I'm frustrated with him/her too, but it is his/her blog and I feel a little guilty for hijacking it to the point of 1000 posts.
A few hundred, that's okay. ^_~
^ if I had any kind of computer knowledge I would love to set up our own little forum!
oh thats aa good idea kapunua. i wish i had thought of that one. *claps hands for kapunua*
yeah that idea rocks kapunua :)
oy, ouch
Sorry guys, it seems you were duped. SS didnt leave a comment here yesterday.
Question Numero Uno:
WHAT THE HELL?! What went down in here last night to cause an astronomical amount of comments?!
And I like Kapunua's idea. My only request is that we NOT make it AOL because I don't have AOL, an IM thing, or any of the like. I'm not technologically savvy. I know, I know. BOO. Maybe we can have someone set up a Blogger account just for our conversations?
Anonymous said...
Sorry guys, it seems you were duped. SS didnt leave a comment here yesterday
He did, but he has since deleted it.
Trust me, he did not post a comment on this blog yesterday.
How would you know? Are you SS?
Hello?
yeah I also don´t have AOL and jep anon2007 it seems as if we missed something... and there´s noone who´ll tell what ^^
what just happened? 0_o
Will someone pls tell me wtf is going on?
Appearances can be deceptive, my friend.
To both of you anons:
Identify yourselves differently by a number or something. It's impossible to tell who's saying what!
We have all had idea's, on what we think is a problem, we can dare him to give some kind of answer on his next post, its worth a try!
Come on Mayo! All eyes are on you, you, someone on this blog is right about what is going on with you.
Give us a hint if we are on the right track.
pj
Oops sorry, I'm the one who needs an update of what is going on. I usually just lurk!
Sorry about the extra "you"
pj
When SS allegedly posted his comment - did anyone click on the name to check it linked back to SS's blog?
Sorry for being rude!
Hello everyone, how are we today, did i miss much?
PJ
I think we missed loads, but I couldn't tell you what! I have no idea!
Anonymous said...
When SS allegedly posted his comment - did anyone click on the name to check it linked back to SS's blog?
What do you mean?
hello fimble star. england is great as always. a little dreary but thats what makes it england!! how long ago did you move away??
also i like your name professional lurker, excellant!
and i haven't got a clue who those 2 anonymouses are. could one be SS or is that just crazy??
Anon that asked the question about SS:
MarthaJones is the only one that's going to know. She was THERE when all of this went down. Something about eating paper. Don't laugh. It's true. I have no idea what's happening.
If anyone that was here last night is reading this, could you please elaborate on what is happening? This is leaving a lot of minds boggled.
Remember his first post, look at all the post up till now, sounds like he is coming around a little to us, opening up more.
pj
Kickball games should be played in suitable arenas
If only to avoid destruction of property.
I fear this has become an exercise in futility.
Mayo?^
Thank you, my name is quite fitting! I love to lurk (said in Sesame Street Count Dracula voice)
I was also wondering if one of those anonymouses was SS. But I don't understand the comment about clicking on the name.
SS, if that is really you, can you please just give us a sign or something to say whether or not it was you who left a comment here?
if you click on the name you get into their profile. thats all i know but i don't know if anyone did that at the time??
Maybe that anon is Mayo, not SS. Or maybe they are both here at the same time!
I don't think any of the anonymous comments left last night (one asking if we'd eaten paper, the ones recently about appearances being deceptive) and this morning were from SS. SS has normally been somewhat human and conversational. These posts are leaving bad tastes in my mouth. They're dark. Someone's toying with us again in my opinion.
hi farawaysoclose. i moved like 7 motnhs ago to florida.
i am getting confused with all the anons. my brans starting to hurt again lol
marthajones, not sure if someone already cleared it up but Britpop was a phenom of the 90's, not 80's and started with the rivalry between Oasis and Blur.
farawaysoclose said...
if you click on the name you get into their profile. thats all i know but i don't know if anyone did that at the time??
Oh I see! So if nobody thought to click on his name at the time they would think it was really him! So you bloggers can just change your screen name at any time. So someone could have changed there screen name to Shitsubu Shita so people thought it was SS posting! That explains why they went and deleted there comment so nobody could catch them out! NOW it makes sense to me! Sorry for being slow haha
it´s getting more and more weird and confusing ^^
if the name is in blue then it is really that person and last night i think his name was in blue.
I'm going to click on the comment SS left in capture the void's blog to see if it is really him. BRB
Fimble Star said...
if the name is in blue then it is really that person and last night i think his name was in blue.
No, farawaysoclose just explained it to me. Any blogger can change there name, so for example fimblestar, you could change your screen name to Shistsubu Shita and post a comment and you would appear to be SS, but if we clicked on your name it would take us to your blog not the promethes blog that belongs to SS! I understand perfectly now!
thank you pl. now i get it. still a bit dizzy with all the anons
I guess I'm a little late on this but what the hell... I'm from Hamilton Ont. Canada
No guys. You're missing the whole point I think. Go back up on this blog and start reading from BC's post on October 14, 2007 at 3:00. Start there and read carefully. It gets a little jumbled but try to follow the conversation.
Just note that this "M" person has been leaving song lyrics on BC's and SC's blog and "M" has also left posts here at Mayo's.
Go back and read what happened.
Make special note of the creepy anon at 3:29 on October 14. That's who I think is leaving all of these cryptic anon messages
If any of you are in the New York area, Leathermouth is performing at the Knitting Factory, Saturday the 20th.
Yeah for Leathermouth! Thanks for that Anon. You make me suspect something. I think you know what I'm thinking.
^DAMN AND DAMN! My birthday party. >_> Crap. I'd love to go see Leathermouth.
hey guys, the ss from overnight was a fake.
i clicked on the username here, and it goes to a profile page that really looks like ss's page, but with a viewcount in the 30's.
then i pulled up my bookmarked ss blog and looked at that profile,
and some small details were different, but most notably the viewcount, which was in the 700's .
the overnight ss was FAKE.
anon2007 said...
I don't think any of the anonymous comments left last night (one asking if we'd eaten paper, the ones recently about appearances being deceptive) and this morning were from SS. SS has normally been somewhat human and conversational. These posts are leaving bad tastes in my mouth. They're dark. Someone's toying with us again in my opinion.
To anon 2007,
Perhaps his tone is darker than usual because he is angry and upset that someone would stoop so low as to deliberately mislead and deceive people for their own amusement. Potentially, they could have said something derogatory, offensive or rude to you guys while masquerading as SS and that would have been unforgivable.
oh gish I tried to read from 4am on...butv after a while I stoped... now I feel dizzy ^^
fake SS? great ^^ it´s getting better and better *ironic*
Kapunua:
Nice to see you back. You going to the show anyway?
Jebas...so now this SS was a fake? Some people honestly suck.
Anyway, I can't believe we're over 1100 comments!
Okay. So from two different people, a trusted poster here and an Anon who seems very intelligent, that overnight SS was fake. The SS that posted the Latin that MJ translated was fake?
So, that still doesn't make me feel any better about the cryptic dark Anon comments that have been posted. Is that what you were referring to Anon? Did SS post those as an anonymous because he was upset that someone would mess with us sporting his name?
Anonymous said...
Sorry guys, it seems you were duped. SS didnt leave a comment here yesterday.
Anonymous said...
Trust me, he did not post a comment on this blog yesterday.
anonymous said...
When SS allegedly posted his comment - did anyone click on the name to check it linked back to SS's blog?
anonymous said...
To anon 2007,
Perhaps his tone is darker than usual because he is angry and upset that someone would stoop so low as to deliberately mislead and deceive people for their own amusement. Potentially, they could have said something derogatory, offensive or rude to you guys while masquerading as SS and that would have been unforgivable.
^ Seriously SS, is this all you? Seriously?
BTW, checked capture this void's blog and that comment was left by the REAL SS!
we really need a place to discuss or we hit the 2000 *laugh*
anon2007 said...
Did SS post those as an anonymous because he was upset that someone would mess with us sporting his name?
^ I think that is exactly right. I think he is seriously angry about this (which I do understand)
And now we know why the fake SS deleted his comment so nobody could see he was fake from his profile! Mystery solved!
i clicked on the username here, and it goes to a profile page that really looks like ss's page, but with a viewcount in the 30's.
Exactly what did you click since he deleted his comment?
What in the hell is going on in here? Did the blog go to shit while I've been away?
Guys, take a breath and chill.
We may need to start taking our discussions to other blogs or create a blog just for discussions.
This is getting entirely out of control.
yeah you´re right sdock10...
so what should we do guys?
We may need to start taking our discussions to other blogs or create a blog just for discussions.
I second that, we need to make a blog for disscussions and chating.
Anonymous said...
Exactly what did you click since he deleted his comment?
tbh, i'm a little wary of answering you, because you're an anon, and it's clear that we have some unfriendly anons here.
Honestly, how about we make a new blog called Kickball Team or something? Half the shit we talk about here isn't about Mayo and that's not fair to him or others who just want to discuss him and the situation.
And to think people say this woman has no class...
http://www.buzznet.com/www/search/photos/Lyn%20Z/?p=6
I'm willing to create one unless you want to do it, Sdock?
anontoujours, you don't have to explain to the anon. I believe you 100% and it all makes sense to me now that the SS from overnight was a fake. It explains why they deleted there comment so nobody could expose them for being a fraud. If that other anon from earlier is SS, I just want to say that you have every right to be angry and it was a low thing for somebody to do, but I do hope this does not stop you visiting now and again. You do seem quite protective of us, have you come to care about our little blog family?
Hey guys,
I was here last night during that whole thing. Believe me, I got creeped out.
&& It was SS who commented. I doubt doubt it.
omg anon i didnt need to see that thanks!
good morning 007. how are you. hope your not tired lol i cant believe it all happened once i signed off
And to think people say this woman has no class...
http://www.buzznet.com/www/search/photos/Lyn%20Z/?p=6
oh god if thats the photo I think it is then i'm not looking!
Hey #8!
I know! I was just about to sign out, I say good night to everyone, and then I read read the comments that were posted while I was typing my comment
&&BAM SS was there!
I swear he smelt the cake=]
hi paper<3 :) how are you?
re-read** sorry, I'm a little tired.
Wow, so I come on here and suddenly that SS was fake. I believed it was really him and still do.
A blog for just chatting and disscussions is a great idea!
Hey Lonely One!
I'm good, quite tired. I was on here till about 5 am. How are you?=]
Hey Entropy!
I couldn't believe people thought that SS was fake either!
professional lurker said...
anontoujours, you don't have to explain to the anon. I believe you 100% and it all makes sense to me now that the SS from overnight was a fake. It explains why they deleted there comment so nobody could expose them for being a fraud. If that other anon from earlier is SS, I just want to say that you have every right to be angry and it was a low thing for somebody to do, but I do hope this does not stop you visiting now and again. You do seem quite protective of us, have you come to care about our little blog family?
thanks, pro lurker! i almost answered automatically, but then went all conspiracy-theory. lol
and i agree with you about ss's protectiveness. ss always comes across very kindly in here -- he rests very high in my estimation!
*hugs* to ss! :)
I want to start one for us but I'm wondering if sdock is already doing it?...
I´m fine paper<3 just a lil tired, but it´s the damn grey and rainy weather I think... I left 2am our time... google kicked me out and won´t let me sign in again.... ^^
Hey paperheart! how are you doing this mourning?
Well, look what happened last time SS posted.There's always going to be doubt.
good moring entropy. how r you. is anybody going to start a blog for random chit-chat?
paperheart it wasn't really SS, it was a fake. Someone changed their account name to Shitsubu Shita and pretended to be him, thankfully someone clicked on his name and the link did not take you to SS's profile, but another person's profile. That is why they deleted there comment, so we cannot click on the name and discover they are not really SS.
Also there has been an anon in here today who sounds very angry, I think it may be SS. I will find the posts for you. :)
hey i am sorry to mention this but have you seen the main page of bn. there is a bit about gerard saying there is an open letter to him from someone called ashley
Awwh that stinks Lonely One!
At least you are here now!=]
Professional Lurker said...
Anonymous said...
Sorry guys, it seems you were duped. SS didnt leave a comment here yesterday.
Anonymous said...
Trust me, he did not post a comment on this blog yesterday.
anonymous said...
When SS allegedly posted his comment - did anyone click on the name to check it linked back to SS's blog?
anonymous said...
To anon 2007,
Perhaps his tone is darker than usual because he is angry and upset that someone would stoop so low as to deliberately mislead and deceive people for their own amusement. Potentially, they could have said something derogatory, offensive or rude to you guys while masquerading as SS and that would have been unforgivable.
^ Seriously SS, is this all you? Seriously?
BTW, checked capture this void's blog and that comment was left by the REAL SS!
I'm trying to create a discuss Mayo blog...give me a few mins.
Entropy, yes there will be doubts, but we will know it was indeed SS.
PL I'm pretty sure it was SS.
and FS I'm going to read this right now..
www.discussmayo.blogspot.com
I created a blog for the discussion of stuff other than Mayo!
http://thekickballteam.blogspot.com/
that was me, by the way ^^^^^
paperheart, I 100% do not believe that it was him because when you click his name it takes you to a different blog to SS's blog. That is all the proof I need.
SS if you are reading, I know you would not want us to be confused about this. I suspect you may have been the anon who came in earlier who was angry about the fake SS. Please can you let us know. Thank you very much! x
wait a minute, I thought we were creating a place to discuss stuff OTHER than Mayo?
Shouldn't Mayo's blof be where we discuss Mayo?
*blog* that is
Awesome magicpie! :D New blogs hehe
Well, this was on another blog wasn't it Pro Lurker?
The comment by SS last night was deleted, maybe not by SS, maybe by Mayo. I don't know. I don't want to make assumptions.
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