Monday, January 19, 2009

tic-tac-toe

Nothing provokes me like someone trying to tell me what I can or can’t do. And I am not talking about “Eat your vegetables”, “Take out the trash”, "Don't run a red light", "Don't steal shit", or "Don't stick a knife in someone" (well maybe the red light thing, once). That stuff is important and I get that. What I mean is when someone is attempting to assert control over me, primarily for their own gains or because they consider my actions irrelevant, then I am full-on instigated.

In fact, I can be a bit immature when confronted with authority. A holdover from adolescence, I presume. For the most part, because I am an adult I am able to identify when the limitations being placed on me are legitimate and necessary. And I bite my tongue.

But, nothing pleases me more than to shove it in the face of whatever or whoever attempts to assert unnecessary control over me. Tell me I’m too old to do something, to act a certain way, then you can bet I’ll be first in line. Tell me what I say is irrelevant and I’ll carry on until I find an ear. Attempt to limit my behavior because you don’t consider me worthy and I’ll increase my efforts until you are red faced.

What amazes me is that they (those attempting control) do not understand that their assertions invariably expose their hot buttons. See, now I know what pisses you off and I can be an asshole, so there you go. But, like I said, I can be a bit immature.

Also, I find it unnecessary for someone to belittle a person because their opinion does not run parallel to their own. Typically, name calling will get you nowhere. We are each entitled to our own beliefs, and our opinions will undoubtedly run counter to other's. And if I don't agree, I'll let you know. I'll give you my point of view and perhaps some facts that I may have squirreled away for the occasion to back it up.

Usually this works and we can agree to disagree. But, if you are maliciously handing me my head over and over about whatever burns your ass, then I will most likely ignore you.

That works in two ways. First, I don't hear you any longer. I can continue my life knowing that I made an attempt to express my opinion. And hopefully you now realize you are not going to change mine. Second, I don't hear you any longer.

Then later, under my breath, I'll call you an idiot. And let's face it, if after all that you still think you can change my opinion...well now, we don't need to go there. Just for the record, I won't try to change yours, either. Your opinion, that is.

With all that being said, (and feel free to ignore any of it) please keep in mind that I am a bit of a smart ass. And I have been known to dish out a good natured hard-time. If you poke me, I'll poke you back...sometimes I poke first.

I think I read somewhere something along the lines of...we need to be able to best deal with those things that impact us emotionally, and we need to handle them ourselves. As individuals the decisions we make are what we can control. The rest is up to the rest.




p.s. ask yourself.

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Anonymous said...

Amyranth was only trying to help. She should not have been shot down like that. I didn't see anyone else here trying to help.

Smoke said...

Hi everyone!

I never read this post as Mayo taking anyone's side. He only gave his opinion and told how he reacted to that type of situation. He even said it's not always the most mature way to be but yeah. What is so bad about that? I really don't understand.

Anonymous said...

^Thank you, Princess, exactly.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

No one is saying there is anything bad about mayo's post.

Some people just still have questions.

Anonymous said...

No one is saying there is anything bad about mayo's post.

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

Anonymous said...

Why question this post in particular? He's never had to explain any of his other posts.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

So what is the problem with people asking Mayo questions about what he meant with this post.

I see no problem with people asking him questions.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

No I am not fucking kidding you. And MAyo gets questions all the time when he post about something going on in the blog. This is nothing new. Stop trying to act like it is.

Anonymous said...

*Sigh*

Dude can't do anything right. Oh well.

*hits Mayo with a phone book*

Bwahaha! Sorry dude. It's just that it's been a long time since I've hit you with a phone book and I thought, why not? Maybe you miss it. ;D

Well, I'm off. I have some things to do.

Anonymous said...

He is not saying he does not like these people, he is saying he does not like their actions.

January 25, 2009 1:56 PM

So you are him, or you know him? That is the only way you should speak for him.

Anonymous said...

Which "people" are you talking about? All of the blog? Only a few? Amyranth, OPs, Elena, Martha, Kapunua, Smoke, Fim, Ergoproxy or others?

Anonymous said...

Kapu and Smoke. If it was YOU that Mayo tossed aside after you tried to show you care, I think you would see it a little differently. Oh but its OK if it was just AMY. After all you were the four bloggers she was trying to protect the blog against in the first place. It's OK for him to treat AMY like that I guess.

Anonymous said...

They keep missing this part MJ

Also, I find it unnecessary for someone to belittle a person because their opinion does not run parallel to their own. Typically, name calling will get you nowhere. We are each entitled to our own beliefs, and our opinions will undoubtedly run counter to other's. And if I don't agree, I'll let you know.

I don't know why they keep missing that.

Anonymous said...

My interpretation is that Mayo is saying he doesn't need Amy's help. I'm sure she can show she cares in ways that won't piss Mayo off.

Anonymous said...

Also, I find it unnecessary for someone to belittle a person because their opinion does not run parallel to their own. Typically, name calling will get you nowhere.



Unless Amy does it!

Anonymous said...

Kapu and Smoke. If it was YOU that Mayo tossed aside after you tried to show you care, I think you would see it a little differently. Oh but its OK if it was just AMY. After all you were the four bloggers...


Smoke and I are four people?

Guys, seriously, I have enough problems with math as it is! Don't further confuse me. ;D

Speaking of, seriously this time. Seriously. Out. :)

Smoke said...

After all you were the four bloggers she was trying to protect the blog against in the first place.

Ummm, okay. O_o

No, seriously, I just don't see it as him taking sides. I really don't.

Later Jules! I'm gone, too. Gotta get ready for Monday! Boo!!

Anonymous said...

Also, I find it unnecessary for someone to belittle a person because their opinion does not run parallel to their own

so just because you don't like poetry doesn't give you the right to try and limit it ON SOMEONE ELSES BLOG.


Typically, name calling will get you nowhere.

calling kapu ghetto princess, scum and beeatch sure got amy nowhere.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

I don't think there should be this much of a problem with people asking him questions about what he has said.

It really does make it feel like you are being told not to talk to him. When this happens.

Mayo is a big boy and if he has a problem with what is being asked he should just come out and say it.

Letting other people give their opinions on what they think he is saying when he is talking to the blog causes so many problems.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
My interpretation is that Mayo is saying he doesn't need Amy's help. I'm sure she can show she cares in ways that won't piss Mayo off.

LOL

Anonymous said...

He has been asked to intervene before. The porn crap that was posted last year was taken down because some bloggers left and refused to come back until Mayo took it all off his own blog. I believe at the time someone said "I thought Mayo was my friend, but I guess not."

Well, I thought he was my friend too.

I guess not.

I will not stay where I'm not wanted. I won't change who I am. I have too much self-respect to be treated this way. I don't care who you are, never did.

Anonymous said...

Mayo has bitch tits.

Anonymous said...

I didn't see Amy's name anywhere in that post 2:33. It's good to know that Mayo understands what it's like to be pushed and provoked into action and reaction.

Do as Mayo suggested why don't you. Stop belittling Amy.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

I don't remember Amy calling Kapu any of that anon. Those were other anons who did that if I remember correctly.


Anyway everyone here has called someone a name at some point so stop trying to make one person into a villain for it.

It shouldn't be done to either Amy or kapu.

Anonymous said...

Mayo is a big boy and if he has a problem with what is being asked he should just come out and say it.

do you like amy? i could understand kapu trying to get mayo to spell it out just for the lolz but i'm surprised at you mj. he already told them how he feels in the nicest way he could and people still got butthurt. it would be impossible for him to make his feelings any clearer without being brutal. do you really want to see them get hurt more than they already have been?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

so just because you don't like poetry doesn't give you the right to try and limit it ON SOMEONE ELSES BLOG.



Stop putting words in my mouth 2:35. I don't like it anymore than Mayo. I will clarify for you.

Your assumptions couldn't be more wrong.

Carrie said...

Remember when Mayo posted something or the other that made a certain group (mainly anons, I think) think they "won" the blog, and then they were all In your face Porchies, and the like? Why does this shit keep going around and around? You can't "win" a blog. You can't demand a blogger to bend to your will on their own freaking blog. This stuff has just gotten beyond ridonculous. I think Amy posted something really nice last night, with the being thankful for little things in life and all. Can't we focus on just regular old life instead of constantly harping on Mayo? I mean, I already know the answer to that, but I'm just being all rhetorical and all.

Anonymous said...

I think Mayo intervened because of the frank/jamia porn. Just sayin.

Anonymous said...

Mayo is a fat asshole.

Anonymous said...

I think if amy accepts that mayo doesn't want her to save his blog from poetry and she steps down from her self-elected position of savior of the blog, this place will be a nicer place to be. No more power struggles. Freedom of speech.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Anonymous said...


do you like amy? i could understand kapu trying to get mayo to spell it out just for the lolz but i'm surprised at you mj. he already told them how he feels in the nicest way he could and people still got butthurt. it would be impossible for him to make his feelings any clearer without being brutal. do you really want to see them get hurt more than they already have been?

January 25, 2009 2:42 PM

I already said what I thought this post was about. But people still aren't listening. I would rather have the truth be out there so that this shit with people using mayo's words against other might stop.

No, I don't want Amy to get hurt, I don't want anyone to but the world doesn't work like that.

If what he has to say is that bad than it is better to get it out than to keep people thinking everything is alright.

Anonymous said...

He could have had other reasons for deleting that blog 2:37. Like he said maybe he doesn't like plagiarism.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Anonymous said...

I think if amy accepts that mayo doesn't want her to save his blog from poetry and she steps down from her self-elected position of savior of the blog, this place will be a nicer place to be. No more power struggles. Freedom of speech.

January 25, 2009 2:49 PM


Amy never said she was the savior of the blog. That was what anons called her. Further more their will always be power struggles on this blog. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

I think it has more to do with knowing if you have been heard. And not in the look my words are on the side bar kind of way.

We all came here in the beginning because we felt we didn't belong at the MCr sites. We were constantly being put down. We came here we had a voice but now it isn't like that anymore.


If you are going to bring up freedom of speech than you also have to remember that that means everyone has the right to say what they think. Even Amy.

Anonymous said...

Res Ipsa Loquitur

Anonymous said...

he let that shit run for over a week so i doubt that was the real reason. i didn't expect him to say it was because of the frank/jamia filth. after all mayo isn't gw so why would he care? ^_~

Anonymous said...

Mayo's belly has more rolls than a bakery.

Anonymous said...

Martha Jones said...
So what is the problem with people asking Mayo questions about what he meant with this post.

I see no problem with people asking him questions.

January 25, 2009 2:18 PM


I don't see a problem either MJ.

People ask Mayo questions about his posts all the time. Why should this one be any different? Why shouldn't you be allowed to ask your questions?

From the beginning people have asked
Did you mean this Mayo? Did you mean that Mayo? Did mean her or him Mayo? What do you mean Mayo?

Why shouldn't you be able to do the same if you have questions?

I have a question for Mayo.

How do you feel about hypocrisy Mayo?

I don't think he likes it.

Anonymous said...

If you are going to bring up freedom of speech than you also have to remember that that means everyone has the right to say what they think. Even Amy.

Exactly. And that's the point. Those pesky 'four bloggers' never tried to infringe on anyones freedom of speech. That was Amy's niche.

Anonymous said...

If you are going to bring up freedom of speech than you also have to remember that that means everyone has the right to say what they think. Even Amy.

Exactly. And that's the point. Those pesky 'four bloggers' never tried to infringe on anyones freedom of speech. That was Amy's niche.

OMG I LOVE YOU!

Anonymous said...

3:02 was for MJ

Anonymous said...

Regardless of all the asking, when has Mayo ever explained his posts? They are his thoughts, and it is a privilige to read them. He owes us no explanation.

Anonymous said...

(:

for 3:02.2

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Exactly. And that's the point. Those pesky 'four bloggers' never tried to infringe on anyones freedom of speech. That was Amy's niche.

January 25, 2009 3:01 PM

It's not her blog so how is she infringe on any ones freedom of speech.

All she did was post her feelings on her blog. Than someone posted it over here. She than talked about how she felt and what she would like to happen. But there was never anyway that she was going to be able to force any one to follow it.

Anonymous said...

:*

Anonymous said...

Right 3:04. He doesn't ever have to answer anything.

No one should tell MJ or anyone else they shouldn't ask their questions. Not when so many others have done the same.

Anonymous said...

Don't you agree
FREEDOM OF SPEECH ANON?

Anonymous said...

Mayo didn't take the porn down until somebody threatened to go to blogger with accusations of copyright infringement.

He said himself that he couldn't allow "plagiarism" on his blog.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

So it's alright to post poems and quotes but you aren't allowed to say you don't like. It is a privilege to have mayo speak to us but don't you dare speak back to him.


Looks to me like the people who have a problem with freedom of speech are you anons. Because just as much as it protects the poems and quotes it protects what amy said.

Just because you don't like Amy's ideas doesn't mean you can say them.

Also you need to stop treating mayo like he is a god who should never be question.

Anonymous said...

:D

Anonymous said...

Yet, I did not see Mayo running to Amy's blog demanding that she explain herself further.

Anonymous said...

"Blogger Martha Jones said...

I don't remember Amy calling Kapu any of that anon. Those were other anons who did that if I remember correctly."


MJ, the names that Amy called Kapu were biatch, cunt, and scum. Just because you don't remember doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Anonymous said...

It's not her blog so how is she infringe on any ones freedom of speech.

I said she tried and as this is not her blog, yes, that is not only objectionable but laughable.

All she did was post her feelings on her blog. Than someone posted it over here.

I wonder who would could have done such a thing...


But there was never anyway that she was going to be able to force any one to follow it.

No matter how many times she tried.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

That because if he wanted to he could ask amy here to explain herself. Amy's words where clear so no further explanation was needed.

Anonymous said...

Looks to me like MJ has great observation skills and common sense.

BBFN

Martha Smith-Jones said...

3.12 just because you want to believe so much that it was amy who did it doesn't make it true.

I had things from one of my blogs posted here once and I can tell you it wasn't me who did it.

So yes there are anons who go around to peoples blogs and post things from them here.


And no matte how many times you try to make her into the bad guy it won't work.

Anonymous said...

MJ, nobody is disputing Amy's right to voice her opinion of the poetry. Those 'four bloggers' never attempted to infringe upon her freedom to do so. They just ignored her and carried on with their business.

Amy, on the other hand, went a step further than voicing her dislike of the poetry. She set up a fix and guidelines that should be followed.

The 'four bloggers' that seemed to bother Amy so much, may not have liked or agreed with what she was saying, but they never attempted to revoke her right to say those things about them.

THAT is the difference.

Anonymous said...

Hans and stuffs.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

bye 3.14

Anonymous said...

No MJ Amy couldn't FORCE the four of them to stop posting poetry. No once can FORCE her to stop telling them to stop either. No one actually DID try to get her to stop dictating what should and shouldn't be posted here.

THEY have the right to post poetry.

SHE has the right to say she doesn't think it belongs here.

SHE has the right to belittle people with disgusting names.

OTHERS have the right to disagree with her.

And on and on MJ. You just don't get it.

Anonymous said...

When did I ever say it was Amy that posted her own blog here? Why did you think Amy? I hadn't even considered that possibility before. Hmmmm....

Anonymous said...

MJ, the names that Amy called Kapu were biatch, cunt, and scum. Just because you don't remember doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Anonymous said...

I can't continue this conversation any longer MJ or I will be black and blue tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

3:18, I don't think you're trying to be mean but if you could stop repeating those words it would mean a lot to me. I didn't like them the first time I read them (or the times after,) and those words still kinda bum me out. And even though I do tend to laugh them off, cause, you know, what can ya do? Still I'd rather laugh them off and then kind of forget them. :)

If you don't mind. ^_^

Martha Smith-Jones said...

3.16 once again how was amy going to in force it. She couldn't do you not understand that. She couldn't make them stop no matter what she said.

Here I will say it again


AMY COULDN'T IN FORCE THOSE RULES OR GUIDELINES SO SHE WASN'T TAKING AWAY ANY ONES FREEDOM OF SPEECH

Do you get it now no matter how much you want to make people believe that it isn't true. Amy can not make any ones right to say what they want here go away.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I can't continue this conversation any longer MJ or I will be black and blue tomorrow.


IKR? Me too. She's so dense, light bends round her.

Anonymous said...

Martha, she WANTED to. Nobody in their right mind would comply with her fix or her guidelines. The point is she WANTED to encroach upon their freedom of speech.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Anonymous said...

When did I ever say it was Amy that posted her own blog here? Why did you think Amy? I hadn't even considered that possibility before. Hmmmm....

January 25, 2009 3:18 PM


Oh stop with the BS. You know good and well that when you said:

I wonder who would could have done such a thing...

You were trying to make it sound like it was amy who did. You need to stop with the games.

3.17 I get it. I don't like the names that people here have called each other and I have told a few of them that. But I can't make them stop.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
MJ, nobody is disputing Amy's right to voice her opinion of the poetry. Those 'four bloggers' never attempted to infringe upon her freedom to do so. They just ignored her and carried on with their business.


No anonymous. They LMFAO, seriously at her and belittled her and her ideas. They did not carry on with their business. Not even close. They're still not.

Martha Jones gets a lot more than some of you give her credit for.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Martha, she WANTED to. Nobody in their right mind would comply with her fix or her guidelines. The point is she WANTED to encroach upon their freedom of speech.

January 25, 2009 3:29 PM

Wanting to do something and actually doing it are two different things.


3.26 I guess amy isn't the only allowed to belittle people here.

Anonymous said...

Martha, she WANTED to. Nobody in their right mind would comply with her fix or her guidelines. The point is she WANTED to encroach upon their freedom of speech.

Exactly. The fact that she clearly was oblivious to the fact that she could not enforce any kind of restriction of what can and can not be posted on a blog other than her own, only serves to demonstrate how ridiculously deluded she really is.

Anonymous said...

Exactly. The fact that she clearly was oblivious to the fact that she could not enforce any kind of restriction of what can and can not be posted on a blog other than her own, only serves to demonstrate how ridiculously deluded she really is.

Well said. That is exactly why they LMFAO at her.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Thank you 3.31


I don't mind if they call me stupid or however they want to put it because in the end they are just showing what kind of people they are.

Hypocrites, for a start.

Anonymous said...

Not deluded enough to believe the king stole land from her dad.

Anonymous said...

Wanting to do something and actually doing it are two different things.

So you agree that infringing upon someones freedom of speech is wrong, but wanting to, and failing to, is not. Go figure.

Anonymous said...

Ageed Martha Jones.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

3.33 you can read minds now. You know exactly what Amy was thinking when she wrote her words.

There are a lot of things people say and they know that it won't do anything but they still say them anyway.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

So you agree that infringing upon someones freedom of speech is wrong, but wanting to, and failing to, is not. Go figure.


There you go again using that word infringe.

The whole point of freedom of speech is that it protects things we don't like. Most of the things that freedom of speech protects or things people want to stop from being said but they end up failing to do so.



IT'S NOT JUST THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE THAT ARE PROTECTED BUT THE THINGS WE DON'T LIKE AS WELL.

Anonymous said...

I don't mind if they call me stupid or however they want to put it because in the end they are just showing what kind of people they are.

Hypocrites, for a start.



Does it show what kind of person Amy is for using the belittling words she did? Or does that only apply when it's said to you or someone YOU like.

Anonymous said...

IT'S NOT JUST THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE THAT ARE PROTECTED BUT THE THINGS WE DON'T LIKE AS WELL.



Such as MSI?

Anonymous said...

IT'S NOT JUST THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE THAT ARE PROTECTED BUT THE THINGS WE DON'T LIKE AS WELL.

Such as the word 'nigger'?

Anonymous said...

IT'S NOT JUST THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE THAT ARE PROTECTED BUT THE THINGS WE DON'T LIKE AS WELL.

Oh, what the hell. How about 'faggot'?

Anonymous said...

You know exactly what Amy was thinking when she wrote her words.


Um...I think the clue was in the words. I hear it's really catching on, people can communicate their thoughts by writing down words which convey their intent.

Anonymous said...

How about Five Year Old Panty Shot? And MSIs bitches and hoe's?

It's OK for Amyranth to call Kapu a cunt (sorry Kap) but not for Bob to put it on his web site?

You're the hypocrite MJ.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Yes it does protect msi but it also gives me the right to call them out on their bullshit.


Does it show what kind of person Amy is for using the belittling words she did? Or does that only apply when it's said to you or someone YOU like.

January 25, 2009 3:44 PM



Yes , it would but you see I like both amy and kapu so what does that say.

Anonymous said...

IT'S NOT JUST THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE THAT ARE PROTECTED BUT THE THINGS WE DON'T LIKE AS WELL.

Like, say, poetry? Amy wanted to restrict the poetry, therefore infringing on 'something she doesn't like' therefore infringing on their freedom of speech. Do you get it now MJ?

Anonymous said...

Yes it does protect msi but it also gives me the right to call them out on their bullshit.

And it gives us the right to call Amy out on her bullshit as well.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

So you all turn to name calling because you can't prove you point any other way.

As I said you can call me or say what you want about me but that also means that I have the right to say what every I want right back at you if I so feel like it.

Anonymous said...

Infringing on someones freedom of speech is when you try to censor or dictate or limit etc what someone else can and can't say.

Did Kapu and her friends ever try to do such an abhorrent thing? NO.

Did Amy ever try? YES.

Anonymous said...

So you all turn to name calling because you can't prove you point any other way.

Nobody called you a name, MJ. We were talking about offensive words, not using them to describe anyone.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

And it gives us the right to call Amy out on her bullshit as well.

January 25, 2009 3:51 PM


Yes you can if you want and I can come in and call you on yours.



Like, say, poetry? Amy wanted to restrict the poetry, therefore infringing on 'something she doesn't like' therefore infringing on their freedom of speech. Do you get it now MJ?

January 25, 2009 3:50 PM



I don't remember what page it was on bit I already said earlier in this post when people where saying amy couldn't say what she wanted that freedom of speech protected both what amy wanted to say and waht kapu wanted to say.

Just because you are to lazy to back read doesn't mean that I don't understand.

Anonymous said...

Just because you are to lazy to back read doesn't mean that I don't understand.

Now who's calling who names?

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Infringing on someones freedom of speech is when you try to censor or dictate or limit etc what someone else can and can't say.

Did Kapu and her friends ever try to do such an abhorrent thing? NO.

Did Amy ever try? YES.

January 25, 2009 3:54 PM


But you also have to have the power to in force the infringement. Amy has no such power.



Anonymous said...

So you all turn to name calling because you can't prove you point any other way.

Nobody called you a name, MJ. We were talking about offensive words, not using them to describe anyone.

January 25, 2009 3:55 PM

But you know that I find those words offensive so it is just the same as if you called me or someone that name.

Anonymous said...

"Martha Jones said...

So you all turn to name calling because you can't prove you point any other way. "


Sort of like I don't know.... Amy?

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Anon I told you if you are going call me names or use words that I find offensive I can call you what every I want back at you. That is why you should stay away from using those words. Most of you can dish it out but one it is thrown back at you , you can't handle it.

Carrie said...

Hans and stuff anon from earlier, that was some funny stuff. Although I've seen all three, and I don't think I could explain the plot much better. :)

Anonymous said...

And round and round you go.

So yesterday during lunch, I went back to the anatomy classroom to study a little and Dr. A. was there, so I asked him about the things that were on my mind. I asked him what the massage program was like, because--as I told him--I was also taking the Oriental medicine classes and I had to admit that I liked the western science classes so much better (aside from intro to OM and that's really because I have a really great teacher for that one, too.) He told me that the massage program doesn't have anything but massage classes, whereas in the OM program, you are required to take western neurology, pathophysiology, microbiology and immunology, health psychology, pharmacology, and medical ethics. Those are all western classes, and they are the ONLY ones. The rest is all Oriental.

However, you don't get those science classes in the massage program, and to me, those classes sound super exciting.

However, even though I get to take those classes, they never intersect with the Oriental Medicine. I mean, obviously I will learn the things from those classes, but the practical part will just be acupuncture and herbs--the TCM way of treating with herbs, that is.

You know what also really got me thinking? The other night I was on the phone with SB, and we were talking about our colleges and our different classes etc. (which is weird enough as it is, right?) I told him I was taking intro to herbs and he said, "COOL! It sounds like you're in Hogwarts!"

Which, that is kind of cool and all, but I'm having enough trouble as it is trying to reconcile science with what is essentially mysticism--albeit mysticism that works.

Man, I just don't know.

What I do know is that I'm going to ask if maybe next semester I can pick up some extra cash by tutoring in anatomy and physiology. If I can stay strong in that class, maybe I can do that.

Anonymous said...

I don't remember what page it was on bit I already said earlier in this post when people where saying amy couldn't say what she wanted that freedom of speech protected both what amy wanted to say and waht kapu wanted to say.


I don't know how to make it any clearer. Nobody is disputing Amy's or Kapu's right to free speech. The reason Amy is being called out is because she tried to deny Kapu and her friends their right to free speech. Kapu and her friends never tried to do that to Amy. Free speech protects Amy's right to voice her opinion about the poetry, but she has no right to try and limit how many times a day poetry can be posted or how long you should wait before posting another comment etc. THAT would be infringing on their right to free speech.

Anonymous said...

In the meantime, I still want to know what S(S)S has in his garage aside from a telescope to look at Venus and Orion, and a flying car!

Anonymous said...

But you know that I find those words offensive so it is just the same as if you called me or someone that name.

No, it's really not, Martha. It's not the same thing at all.

Anonymous said...

And I hate Yahoo's new layout, by the way. Hate it!

Anonymous said...

Infringing on someones freedom of speech is when you try to censor or dictate or limit etc what someone else can and can't say.

Did Kapu and her friends ever try to do such an abhorrent thing? NO.

Did Amy ever try? YES.


But you also have to have the power to in force the infringement. Amy has no such power.


Although your reply makes no sense in relation to what I posted, I will use it anyway to say that the sooner Amy realizes she has no such power and stops trying to control and dictate what can and can't be posted on this blog, the better.

Anonymous said...

Did Kapu and her friends ever try to do such an abhorrent thing? NO.

Wrong answer. The right answer is
YES. Many times.

See comment at 3:21

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Martha Jones said...

So you all turn to name calling because you can't prove you point any other way. "


Sort of like I don't know.... Amy?


I seem to remember other people on this blog not just Amy calling people names. Like everyone on the fucking blog. Amy is not the only person guilt of name calling . If you look up a couple of comments you can see that you or another anon did it as well. So I don't think you have any right to continue to go after Amy for something you are doing.

That is my whole point that you keep going after Amy for things that you do as well.

You call me stupid because you think I don't get what you are saying but it is you who isn't looking at the bigger picture.

You say Amy is infringe on four peoples rights to post poems and quotes. Well than you are doing the same thing by coming in here and belittling amy. But as you would say it alright because you don't like her.

Anonymous said...

I guess EP did the same thing when she asked Kapu not say a certain word that offended her as well.

So many double standards.

Anonymous said...

OH MY GOD! WATCH THIS.

Star Wars trilogy, retold by someone who hasn't seen it. With fantastic animation.

Luke and Han kiss each other at the end? O_o I missed that version!

Seriously, I laughed until I had tears. It keeps getting funnier!

Anonymous said...

Yes. So many double standards and so many people

like MJ and me

tired of them.

Anonymous said...

4:08, I asked if we could just forget about those names. Please allow that "can we not call me the C word and such" is slightly different than "poetry is hurting me."

Anonymous said...

MJ I am not the anon resorting to name calling. I don't need to do that to make my point. What Amy tried to do was wrong. I'm sure she realizes that now and won't be in a hurry to repeat her mistakes.

Anonymous said...

Now go watch that clip and see if makes you laugh.

Anonymous said...

That is my whole point that you keep going after Amy for things that you do as well.


You're getting us confused. I never called you a name MJ.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Infringing on someones freedom of speech is when you try to censor or dictate or limit etc what someone else can and can't say.

Did Kapu and her friends ever try to do such an abhorrent thing? NO.

Did Amy ever try? YES.


But you also have to have the power to in force the infringement. Amy has no such power.


Although your reply makes no sense in relation to what I posted, I will use it anyway to say that the sooner Amy realizes she has no such power and stops trying to control and dictate what can and can't be posted on this blog, the better.

January 25, 2009 4:07 PM


You keep say Amy infringed on their right s and I keep telling you no she didn't because she hasn't that power.

I am trying not to bring other peoples names into this but if i have to.

Their are a number of people who will disagree on you with saying kapu hasn't infringe on other peoples right s to say what they want.

Just because you weren't one of them, weren't here when it happened or just didn't care because you didn't like the person doesn't mean it didn't happen.


I am sure if you want to keep dragging Kapu's name into this some anon will come along on start in on her. But I am trying not to go there alright.

Anonymous said...

Kapunua, please allow that calling someone an idiot, stupid or retarded can hurt them just as much as calling you the "C" word hurts you.

Please allow that asking someone not to use the "C" word is still asking them not to post something on Mayo's blog. It's still an attempt at censorship.

Carrie said...

I'm off to use my newfound power of invisibility for good. Carry on.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

How am I to know who is calling me the names and saying the offensive words when the only name I have is anon to go by. there could be one of you are five I wouldn't know.

You can tell me that you aren't that persons but I don't know if you are telling then truth. I treat you right now as just one entity, ANON.

Anonymous said...

I agree that "cunt" and "poetry" are two different things. Sorry 4:16 but your comparison is stupid, yes stupid.

Anonymous said...

Carrie, no one hears you unless you want to be part of the drama. Did you go look at that Star Wars link? I'll bet it will make you laugh.

Did anyone look at it?

Anonymous said...

Carrie's going to go cry in a corner now.

Anonymous said...

No. It's valid. Kapunua is offended by the word cunt.

Some people are offended by the words idiot, stupid and retarded.

No where in my comment did I compare "cunt" to poetry.

You are proving my point. When you don't have a valid agruement
you resort to namecalling.

Anonymous said...

I hope you're all watching that link and getting a good laugh out of it. Hie! Go to!

by the way, why is "Tao" pronounced with a D? Why not just spell it "Dao" in that case?

It's a similar situation with the romanization of Japanese words. I mean, why is the "O" sound spelled"wo" and "Wo" spelled "O"? If you're going to translate another language into your own language, wouldn't you try to make it easier instead of adding all these stupid rules?

Carrie said...

Actually no, I'm going to go make Yorkshire pudding batter, and K, check my comment at 4:03, I thought that was why I had faded out. :) Byeeeee!

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Anonymous said...

I agree that "cunt" and "poetry" are two different things. Sorry 4:16 but your comparison is stupid, yes stupid.

January 25, 2009 4:21 PM


Well not if you are a lawyer it isn't. I am sure some where their is a lawyer who would be able to argue that while poetry isn't offensive the way in which someone uses it could be seen as offensive.

Think of it this way we live in a country where people can have the theory of evolution ban from being taught in schools because it is offensive to their religious beliefs.

Anonymous said...

Did Kapu ever say 'you can use the c word, but only 3 times a day'

Anonymous said...

The C word is inherently and globally offensive, poetry on the blog of a poet, I would argue, is not.

Annoying, maybe, to some. But I would like to hear the reasons why anyone would find poetry offensive.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Anonymous said...

Did Kapu ever say 'you can use the c word, but only 3 times a day'

January 25, 2009 4:27 PM


No, she is asking you not to use it at all.

Anonymous said...

Carrie, I didn't even know what you were talking about; did someone link to that already? I hardly ever backread anymore, to be honest. :/

And I don't really click on links unless I know exactly where they're going. You never know who's going to come out with an "OMGzzzz YOUR ISP WAS HERRREEEE!!111" So I've become very wary about clicketywheeing.

Anonymous said...

No. She asked that we not use it at all. Not even once a day.

Looks like I'm over my limit.




Is it o.k to post poetry that includes the word cunt?

Just wonderin?

Anonymous said...

But I would like to hear the reasons why anyone would find poetry offensive.

Ignore, ignore all you want, but it is still there. It's still used to derail current topics of conversation. It's used to force people to stop talking, and it's used for attention. It's beyond pathetic.

Anonymous said...

Anon, all I said was that I'd like to sort of forget about being called that stuff. I asked nicely. I mean, if you want to keep bringing it up, by all means. It really doesn't say anything about me, you know?

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Did I not say in my post that it was the way it was being used. Also I am sure their are people out there who would find the topic of the poem offensive. Is it about death, sex or something like that. Many different things are offensive to many different people.


"You can say boob but you can't say tit."

Anonymous said...

It's used to force people to stop talking,

Just as Amy could not force the four bloggers to stop posting poetry; likewise the four bloggers can not force people to stop talking. Grow up.

Anonymous said...

I really want to know who the anon was who said that they had a stat counter and they knew Kapu's real ISP address but they refused to sign in.

Anonymous said...

It's still used to derail current topics of conversation

If your converstaion is derailed by the posting of poetry perhaps you should consider a more engaging or gripping topic to discuss.

Anonymous said...

If anybody's bored and wants to waste a few hours and get a few laughs, TV Tropes.

It's not just about TV (in fact very little of it actually is,) but more about movies, video games, anime, everything. And basically what they do is organize every trope (cliches, basically) there is in existence and catalog them by where they occur, where they started, etc. You can look up certain movies (or games or animes or shows) or you can look them up by cliche.

It's hilarious.

Anonymous said...

Oh, scroll down the left side of the page to browse tropes, genres, medias, topics, and other catagories. I've literally spent hours there!

And have become totally disheartened because my own stories contain a few of these! O_o >_<

Martha Smith-Jones said...

4.35 can you please not bring that up.



Just as Amy could not force the four bloggers to stop posting poetry; likewise the four bloggers can not force people to stop talking. Grow up.

January 25, 2009 4:35 PM


So, now that you can use it as your own you get it. does that mean you want try and say amy infringe on someones rights now?

Anonymous said...

Why MJ? Do you know who it was?

Anonymous said...

I'm not bored. Are you bored MJ?
I find this very interesting.

I admire MJ's intellectual courage.

Anonymous said...

"4.35 can you please not bring that up."


Stop telling people what to do MJ.

Anonymous said...

Frank Iero wrote about intellectual courage. Is that you SS??

Anonymous said...

4.35 can you please not bring that up.



Just as Amy could not force the four bloggers to stop posting poetry; likewise the four bloggers can not force people to stop talking. Grow up.

January 25, 2009 4:35 PM

So, now that you can use it as your own you get it. does that mean you want try and say amy infringe on someones rights now?


That does't even make any sense!

Anonymous said...

Frank Iero wrote about intellectual courage

ORLY? Link please?

Anonymous said...

Why should MJ be asked to stop talking about a topic that interests her? If someone is bored with it
go somewhere else.

Wasn't that suggested before? If poetry bores you
go to another blog.

If MJ's or my opinions bother you
take your own advice. Go to another blog while we're having our discussion.

Anonymous said...

GAHHHH I actually have a few of these tropes in my own stories. WTF! I am clearly not the Original Mind I thought I was. ;D

Anonymous said...

I'm not Frank Iero. I'm just an anon who likes talking to MJ. I'm interested in what she has to say.

Anonymous said...

Frank Iero wrote about intellectual courage. Is that you SS??


i doubt he would have put the words intellectual courage in itallics if it was. 0_0

Anonymous said...

But you do admit that you took that from Frank's college blogs right? Why be misleading?

Martha Smith-Jones said...

So, now that you can use it as your own you get it. does that mean you want try and say amy infringe on someones rights now?



So now that you can use what I was saying to defend you view, you get it. Does this mean that you won't be using the argument that Amy is infringing on peoples rights anymore.

I wasn't telling I was asking. I don't know who any one is. I am no where near bored. This is like a debate to me. And I love debates.

Anonymous said...

We'll continue another time MJ. Thanks for giving us all things to think about.








just another stupid, nothing

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Thank you anon

Anonymous said...

No. I didn't take it from Frank's college blogs. I took it from here.

I like the description.

Anonymous said...

Does this mean that you won't be using the argument that Amy is infringing on peoples rights anymore.

No, that's not what I'm saying. While neither party can force the other to do something they don't want to, only one party tried to infringe the rights of the other.

Anonymous said...

I like the way Frank writes his essays. I like the way he ends them with 'In conclusion...'

Anonymous said...

You all are really gullible to believe that Frank really wrote those "essays".

Martha Smith-Jones said...

No, that's not what I'm saying. While neither party can force the other to do something they don't want to, only one party tried to infringe the rights of the other.

January 25, 2009 4:56 PM


Than I don't want you using my argument to support the poems and quotes. If you can see that it is the same thing you need to find you own words to defend against people saying the poems and quotes are invasive.


You can't have it both ways you can't say that amy is infringing on peoples rights to speak but the poems and quote aren't.

Anonymous said...

Posting poetry was not infringing upon anyones rights.

Issuing guidelines about what could and couldn't be posted and how often you could post etc, was an attempt to infringe the rights of others.

NOBODY here, with the exception of Mayo, has the right to determine what can be posted here and how often it can be posted. If Mayo doesn't like something, he makes it known, as he did with the deletion of personal info and porn.

Anonymous said...

All of this bullshit arguing is infringing on my rights to come here and enjoy this blog.

So why not give it a rest, eh?

Anonymous said...

And you are really cynical to believe he didn't.

Anonymous said...

I was laughing when OPJ was talking about Pepe Le Pew the other night. Because the way OPJ chases after SS, she IS Pepe Le Pew.

Anonymous said...

HELP, HELP! I'M BEIN' OPPRESSED!

Anonymous said...

Yes, they breed in the sewers, and eventually you get evil-smelling flocks of huge soiled budgies flying out of people's lavatories infringing their personal freedom!

Anonymous said...

It's a funny thing freedom. I mean how can any of us be really free when we still have personal possessions?

Martha Smith-Jones said...

By the way I don't mean to ignore people but when I start doing stuff like this I have a one track mind

Anonymous said...

You can't. You can't! I mean, how can I go off and join Frelimo when I've got nine more installments to pay on the fridge.

Anonymous said...

No, you can't. You can't. Well this is the whole crux of Jean-Paul Sartre's 'Roads to Freedom'.

Anonymous said...

No, it bloody isn't. The nub of that is, his characters stand for all of us in their desire to avoid action. Mind you, the man at the off-licence says it's an everyday story of French country folk.

Anonymous said...

Well I personally think Jean-Paul's masterwork is an allegory of man's search for commitment.

Anonymous said...

No it isn't.

Anonymous said...

Yes it is.

Anonymous said...

And you are really cynical to believe he didn't.

I suppose I'm cynical because I don't believe the fake myspaces or facebooks too.

What are you, twelve?

Anonymous said...

Isn't.

Anonymous said...

'Tis!

Anonymous said...

No it isn't.

Anonymous said...

All right. We can soon settle this. We'll ask him.

Anonymous said...

Jean-Paul. Your famous trilogy 'Rues i Liberte, is it an allegory of man's search for commitment?

Anonymous said...

Oui.

Anonymous said...

I told you so.

Anonymous said...

Oh coitus.

Anonymous said...

You can't have it both ways you can't say that amy is infringing on peoples rights to speak but the poems and quote aren't.

OK. Clearly we disagree. Explain why you think the posting of poems is the same as Amy telling people what they can and can't post. I fail to see how they are the same.

Amy and others may have found the poetry annoying and likewise, Kapu and others may have found Amy talking about lasagna or potatoes annoying. The difference is, Kapu and her friends never tried to limit or restrict Amy's posts. But Amy tried to limit Kapu's posts. I know Amy could not MAKE Kapu do what she wanted, but the very fact that she still attempted to get Kapu and her friends to comply IS attempting to take away their right to free speech and therefore infringing upon it.

Why couldn't Amy just respect Kapu's right to post poetry the way Kapu respected Amy's right to post about potatoes? This whole mess could have been avoided.

Anonymous said...

Pretty sure Monty Python is the answer to everything. ^_^

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Anonymous said...

Posting poetry was not infringing upon anyone's rights.



The continental posting of poetry made it a hostile environment to the people who didn't like it. They were forced to stay away from the blog if they didn't want to deal with it.


You see anon that is how it could be explained that the poems where infringing on others rights.

I can see it both ways but if you want to play that game just because you like the poems it wasn't doing any harm I will take up the opposite point.

Anonymous said...

M: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A: I told you once.
M: No you haven't.
A: Yes I have.
M: When?
A: Just now.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't
A: I did!
M: You didn't!
A: I'm telling you I did!
M: You did not!!
A: Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
M: Oh, just the five minutes.
A: Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
M: You most certainly did not.
A: Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
M: No you did not.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't.
A: Did.
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A: Yes it is.
M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A: No it isn't.
M: It is!
A: It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A: I did not.
M: Oh you did!!
A: No, no, no.
M: You did just then.
A: Nonsense!
M: Oh, this is futile!
A: No it isn't.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!

A: Yes it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A: No it isn't.
M: It is.
A: Not at all.
M: Now look.
A: (Rings bell) Good Morning.
M: What?
A: That's it. Good morning.
M: I was just getting interested.
A: Sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes!
A: I'm afraid it was.
M: It wasn't.
Pause
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
M: What?!
A: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
M: Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
A: (Hums)
M: Look, this is ridiculous.
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Oh, all right.
(pays money)
A: Thank you.
short pause
M: Well?
A: Well what?
M: That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
A: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
M: I just paid!
A: No you didn't.
M: I DID!
A: No you didn't.
M: Look, I don't want to argue about that.
A: Well, you didn't pay.
M: Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
A: No you haven't.
M: Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
A: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
M: Oh I've had enough of this.
A: No you haven't.
M: Oh Shut up.

Anonymous said...

Q: WHAT DO YOU WANT?
M: Well, I was told outside that...
Q: Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
M: What?
Q: Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
M: Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
Q: OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
M: Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
Q: Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
M: Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
Q: Not at all.
M: Thank You.
Stupid git!!

Anonymous said...

Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

Anonymous said...

You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

If I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Let look at what is going on now as an example. A person could say that all of these quote that appeared suddenly were don't in an effort to stop the debate that we were having.

Anonymous said...

Monty Python :)

Anonymous said...

The continental posting of poetry made it a hostile environment to the people who didn't like it

Tais-toi!

Anonymous said...

Monty Python is wise, anon. ^_^

Anonymous said...

Let look at what is going on now as an example. A person could say that all of these quote that appeared suddenly were don't in an effort to stop the debate that we were having.

you say that like it's a bad thing.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The continental posting of poetry made it a hostile environment to the people who didn't like it

Tais-toi!

^
Too fucking funny.

ergoproxy said...

Good Morning all!

HAPPY AUSTRALIA DAY!!!!

hi Mj K anons do something aussie today!

Say Gidday :]

Anonymous said...

and now for something completely different...

Anonymous said...

A Scotsman on a horse! ^_^

Heh.

Well, I've finished my dinner so I'm going to have a shower and then try to figure out this stuff about suborbitals and whatnot.

Later all!

Anonymous said...

He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy!

Anonymous said...

MJ you are very wise.

Anonymous said...

Spectator I: I think it was "Blessed are the cheesemakers".
Mrs. Gregory: Aha, what's so special about the cheesemakers?
Gregory: Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.

Martha Smith-Jones said...

Anon just for trying to tell me to shut up i won't. Maybe i will justcopy an paste what I have been saying over and over again.

Also stop being a coward and tell me to shut up in French.

Anonymous said...

you say that like it's a bad thing.


Yes it is a bad thing. It is proving exactly what Amy wrote. It's posting irrelevant bullshit in an attempt to disrupt the conversation. If you can't see how rude that is then you have problems.

Anonymous said...

Martha Jones said...
Let look at what is going on now as an example. A person could say that all of these quote that appeared suddenly were don't in an effort to stop the debate that we were having.

January 25, 2009 5:22 PM


Any person that doesn't live in the hills of hypocrisy or have their head inserted firmly up somebody else's ass could say that.

I see it and I say it.

Anonymous said...

Oh, it's blessed are the MEEK! Oh, I'm glad they're getting something, they have a hell of a time.

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