Here is a little something I have learned. Or, perhaps it is inherent in my nature.
There is beauty in most every moment...life, and I mean all of it. Seriously, that is not to say that I can find a silver lining in the beating of an old man for his wallet, or the rape of a young girl. But, some of my more elegant words arrive from the ugliest of times, and I suppose the inverse is true, as well. Anyway, I think they are.
There was a ball, a strike, a kiss, and some much needed sleep.
We awoke to a quiet house that, after a few short hours, would be alarmed by uncertainty.
The phone call and waiting cleared my head. All I could consider was what I would miss if I was met with the loss of such a good friend. Those other things, my schedule, would wait. And, the wait was endless. I was anxious because I could not be there to hear firsthand the explanation, the reassurance. But I knew, I already knew why and how. What I needed to hear was that it had been fixed.
And it was. You are fine and I still have you to call when I need a laugh, to shoot the shit, or to find reason in things that make sense only to friends that have been there from the depths. We will have our once every chance we can get (which is not often enough) visits.
I will tell you again that you are my friend.
Still, I can’t let go of the feeling I had when I thought you were gone. In those few hours I was bombarded with memories built on some ten years time. I thought how fortunate I was to have had my life filled with your energy, your support, and all the trust I could ever imagine.
I paced while waiting to hear the news, and as I circled the floors over and again the strangest thought came to me; I would be okay. I have come a long way and I have you to thank for some of that. You give a good kick in the ass. And, there is something amazing in that.
Let's not forget the flood, the funk, the summers, and that high speed departure.
p.s. wherever he is, he’s all over the place.
Friday, January 9, 2009
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 4709 Newer› Newest»And if you could see my husband flailing right now playing Prince of Persia on the Wii, you would laaaaauuuugggghhhhhh.
The Itchy Grubs, fronted by Ergoproxy!
LOL!!
I didn't know there was a POP game for Wii.
We got to play the Outdoor Adventure one the other day. I had a blast, but I was sober. All the hungover peoples were unimpressed. :3
Well, I suppose I should actually feign an interest in what he's doing, so I should go. Mayo, as always, thank you for keeping this space open. I'm not good at the heartfelt eloquent stuff, but know that I do appreciate it.
Yeah, I should scoot off to bed too. See you around Carrie.
Amy, I didn't know there was a POP game, period, before we found this in a bargain bin. But I think they made a movie with Jake whatshisface. Night!
Mayo and SS,
I'm pretty bad at sounding eloquent when I write as well. I think we all know that.
Anyway, Mayo's post last night got me thinking about how much I appreciate people here. Even people who aren't around, or don't stop in anymore. It's nice to know that all those little connections still exist, so that you can be there when you're needed.
Goodnight.
Amyranth said...
I'm pretty bad at sounding eloquent when I write as well. I think we all know that.
And I think you have one of the most eloquent ways of writing I have ever seen. Holy shit, I cried the night you wrote that beautiful piece for Seldom Seen.
Goodnight Amy
She can play bass. She's an average player. She plays what is required of her. Like most male bass players. Expecting a woman to do better than what you expect from a man and requiring them to be absolutely perfect before you deem them acceptable isn't feminist and only reinforces what you claim to be against. As for the awesomely feminist 'dancing in a short skirt' crack, watch some footage of her on stage and in the crowd that isn't a carefully selected 30 second clip.
First can you stop with the constant twisting of what people have said. No one ever said she had to be perfect to be deemed worthy. I think that should go with the monster and Antichrist stuff as well.
First Lindsey is the one who said she couldn't play for shit Why do you keep forget or should I say leaving that out. Do you think we would be saying anything if it wasn't for the fact that she not only said she can't play for shit and doesn't care because she can back bend.
HO)w is it a good feminist message to show girls that you don't have to put any work or thought behind what you do as long as you can wear a short skirt and flash your underwear at people and when you want success just sleep your way to it. Because all the evident shows that the only reason she and that shit band are know to us is because of who she is sleeping with and the fact that she and him made sure to let everyone in eye sight now it.
A feminist is more than just being a women who has a job. You are fight to show that women don't need to use their bodies to get ahead and they they can do things just as well or even better than a man. Lindsey is not doing any of that. She isn't doing any of that.
As for male bass players they can't use their bodies to distract from a lack of playing skill even if they are average.
There are great female bass players like Tina Weymouth who we are comparing Lindsey with. And it only takes a 30 second clip to see how good she is.
Those words can be used in non-derogatory ways. Maybe the guy who wears a red jacket with 'only faggots wear red' written on it isn't using those words (or writing songs) in the straight-forward derogatory way you claim that he is? I do have problems with how those words are used in some of their songs but attacking them in such a simplistic and inaccurate way only serves to benefit them.
January 9, 2009 10:58 PM
This an argument that keeps happening. And what I have to say about it is it isn't right for anyone to use those words for what every reason. I don't care if you think by using them you are some how changing the meaning of those words and helping out the groups that they are aimed at. That is nothing but bullshit said by people who don't want to get in trouble for using them.
Those words have a strong history behind them that can not be erased by simply using the word in conversation. Which is something you need to think about before you run out in the world and just use a word with the kind of meaning those words have.
No matter what letters you change in those words or how you say it it still has that derogatory mean. If it didn't have that meaning than there would be no reason for anyone to say .
Mayo
Have you ever had something someone said pop into your head at a very strange time? You know you’ll just be sitting there and suddenly their words fill your head and you stop and wonder why you suddenly are ‘hearing” them. That happened to me today. I was in the doctor’s office waiting for Stormy to reappear. First I tried to read a magazine (this was a very unplanned trip and I didn’t have a book with me) but seriously the magazines in a doctor’s office? Aside from the fact I can just see the damn germs covering them, who the hell chooses these? "Health Today". Yeah, okay it is a doctors office but I’m already creeped out enough being there I don’t want to read up on symptoms of terrible diseases cause the next thing you know I’ll have the aforementioned disease. "Sports Illustrated". Okay I’m not into sports but I’ll give em’ this one. Lots of guys might enjoy it. "People" magazine. I do enjoy that one however the fact that it was from Aug of last years is a problem. Hell half of those celebrities who were happily married then are now divorced. Okay wait, I’m totally off track. The point was I didn’t have anything to read. So I just sat back and tried to clear my mind and that’s when it happened. A passage popped into my head. No, it wasn’t from a book but it was immediately familiar. At first I just sat there with a total 'what the fuck' look on my face, pretty sure I did. Then I tried to figure out why it had popped in there. I’m still working on it. Weird thing is as much as I love the words, when I heard them I felt an incredible sense of sadness.
The passage?…………..
I am here. Not always present, but I am here. I feel each of you even as I move about my world. I presume we have this in common.
For me? Yes, this was and still is true.
Night Mayo
Elena (faded valentines)
Goodnight elena
HO)w is it a good feminist message to show girls that you don't have to put any work or thought behind what you do as long as you can wear a short skirt and flash your underwear at people and when you want success just sleep your way to it.
That's some nice twisting of someone's words and actions.
No one ever said she had to be perfect to be deemed worthy.
When you endlessly nit-pick and demean anyone who isn't perfect, that is effectively what you are saying.
A feminist is more than just being a women who has a job. You are fight to show that women don't need to use their bodies to get ahead and they they can do things just as well or even better than a man.
Feminism isn't 'look daddy I've shown that just as good as you will you like me now?', because that's a self-defeating task where daddy always changes the goal posts and many women don't want to be like daddy. Feminism isn't about women being a 'model minority'. Feminism is about trying to ensure that women can just as good or just as bad as the next guy without being attacked or censured in ways that the guy wouldn't.
I think that should go with the monster and Antichrist stuff as well.
Er, Kapunua actually said that Gerard "turned in a pitiless monster". So.
I don't care if you think by using them you are some how changing the meaning of those words and helping out the groups that they are aimed at.
What if you are a member of the groups that those words are aimed at?
I have problems with them using n*gger in the way they did because they aren't black and were talking shit about hiphop, but I don't have the same problems with their use of f*ggot because they are a fairly queer group.
People who aren't members of those groups need to be careful when they try to dictate those words use and even within those groups there are differing opinions.
Feminism isn't 'look daddy I've shown that just as good as you will you like me now?', because that's a self-defeating task where daddy always changes the goal posts and many women don't want to be like daddy. Feminism isn't about women being a 'model minority'. Feminism is about trying to ensure that women can just as good or just as bad as the next guy without being attacked or censured in ways that the guy wouldn't.
What a load of cods-wallop. There are many examples of untalented women. I don't know what planet you live on but from what I can see men get savagely torn apart both publically and in the media for their mishaps only it's for all intents and purposes twisted and turned into a form of victimization by females, which may or may not have a legitimate reason.
If you need to talk about feminism, you really need to discuss the liberalization of both males and females. This talk would include biological impulses and the way each sex thinks.
As for the "slut-shaming" raunch culture and the modesty movement are two sides of the same coin. Both see women primarily in terms of their attractiveness and availability. Both are ultimately conservative worldviews: they not only cast women as objects of men’s gaze and judgement, they also assume that women should care what that judgement is, and dress and act accordingly.
I am black and I have a problem with people using those words. There is a difference between a black/gay person using the word and a white/nongay person. But I still don't like it when it is used by anyone.
Those words have very little to no uses out side of being used to hurt people, no matter who uses it or how.
I have to agree with some of what 2.57 is saying. other anon you keep trying to bring up men in this fight as if they get off easy. They don't as I said they can't fall back on their bodies as way to distract from their lack of talent the way a woman can. They also can run around scream how on fair it is that they get judge on their actions and how they dress.
I haven't twisted anything that Lindsey has said or done. Go to their web site and see how much media attention they got before PR than look at how much it jumped after it came out that Lindsey and Gerard where a couple. And you can't say that they didn't know this would happen. Almost anything Gerard has put his hands on or is attached to him gets turned into the think you must own or support by the fangirls.
When you endlessly nit-pick and demean anyone who isn't perfect, that is effectively what you are saying.
Who isn't what? All I see here is you constantly bring up this word perfect. When you have been told time and time again that that isn't what we thing. No one will every be perfect at something it isn't humanly possible but it is possible to get better at something. If you try and put in some effort. By Lindsey own admission she didn't/doesn't want to even become good or average at playing the bass.
As far as doing what is expected of her it appears to have little to do with playing tha bass and more with testing the males in the audience.
Where are you getting this daddy bullshit from. No one said anything about being a feminist to please daddy.
Feminist is about showing that you can do the same thing a man can do and that you deserve the same respect for doing a good job as well as pay. It was about giving women the right to choice when they wanted to have babies. Not hey daddy look at me.
I can't speak for Kapu and I don't even know the quote where she called him a monster but that still doesn't mean that everyone who critizies Gerard and Lindsey think they are monsters, the Antichrist or responsible for everything that is wrong in the world.
Anonymous said...
'SS is the same, I can see why he hangs out here from time to time.'
He hung out doing movie quotes quite a bit too.... back in the day.
I suspect he probably still does, it's just harder to recognize his voice if he's borrowing someone elses.
As for the "slut-shaming" raunch culture and the modesty movement are two sides of the same coin. Both see women primarily in terms of their attractiveness and availability. Both are ultimately conservative worldviews: they not only cast women as objects of men’s gaze and judgement, they also assume that women should care what that judgement is, and dress and act accordingly.
January 10, 2009 2:57 AM
I have to disagree with this I don't view women in regards to how beautiful they are or anything like that. I look at their ability to do what every their job is clothe only really come into play when they are used to distract from thinks you aren't good at.
Feminist is about showing that you can do the same thing a man can do and that you deserve the same respect for doing a good job as well as pay.
Feminism is taking that women (as a whole) can do the same things men (as a whole) can, as a given.
they can't fall back on their bodies as way to distract from their lack of talent
Really? Did you miss huge swathes of popular music?
Also, male musicians aren't regularly told that they are using their bodies as a distraction for their lack of talent, no matter what they are wearing or what they say. And I'd like to meet a bass/guitar player, male or female, who manages to play without using their body.
They also can run around scream how on fair it is that they get judge on their actions and how they dress.
Assuming you meant they can't run around, they can, they just don't have to because they aren't judged in any way near the same way that women are.
Both are ultimately conservative worldviews: they not only cast women as objects of men’s gaze and judgement, they also assume that women should care what that judgement is, and dress and act accordingly.
So why are you buying into them?
Sweetcheeks: *humongous hug and kiss*
How are you? What's new with you and your two guys?
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Sugarplum, I missed you bunches!!! I am so jealous you got to go to Finland! When are you gonna invite me? I wanna go over there and bring back a husband ;D
One guy I talked to last night admitted to me that he might be having feelings, but I don't feel the same way about him. As for The Mayor, I haven't talked to him since last week. I'm just not feeling up to it right now.
I've been distracted by wacky dreams I've been having lately. Some concerning another man, an older man with long blond hair *ahem*
<_<
>_>
I'm doing pretty okay, thank you for asking. I got accepted at a college I applied to early last year. I'm almost sure I'm going for Criminal Justice, but I might change my major to general studies, music, or Business, not sure yet. Classes start next week already, and I have a niece that is attending.
I am so happy you had a great time in Finland! Did you see HIM, the 69 Eyes, and Negative? :) I hope so!
Goodnight and sweet dreams sugarplum, I hope you're well and rested *blows kisses and hugs*
Goodnight everyone here.
Really? Did you miss huge swathes of popular music?
No I didn't just because I don't say anything about Brit and others like her here doesn't mean I don't talk about her in a similar fashine as Lindsay.
I think Britney is a talentless little girl. She can't sing and can barely dance. She dresses in skimp clothes and shakes her ass and tits. Paris Hilton act like a spoiled brat ans make a sex tape. And don't forget to have family money so you have something to fall back on when your 15 minutes is up.
To me Lindsey is just the more recent of a line of women who have been coming out who have little to no talent but are raised up to greatness.
Assuming you meant they can't run around, they can, they just don't have to because they aren't judged in any way near the same way that women are.
Yes it was can't. I don't know where you live but I do see men getting treated in a similar way. Look at the shit MCR get from men for being emo. Zach Efron and Jonas brothers don't get any respect either. You just aren't going to the place where you will see it because most of the people their are male.
I really think you need to open your eyes to the real world around you. People are constantly being created for their behavior both men and women. While men have to suck up and take it. Women can run around and scream don't judge me on my appearance or lack of ability because you are being sexist.
Politicians are a good example of people mainly mean who are being created for their ability or lack of ability to do their job. People judge them by the way they dress and their age. And that happens to the men as well as the women.
All you appear to want to do is make excuses for a woman who is shit at her job because she is a woman.
Both are ultimately conservative worldviews: they not only cast women as objects of men’s gaze and judgement, they also assume that women should care what that judgement is, and dress and act accordingly.
So why are you buying into them?
Ah ah, I merely pointed it out. YOU have excepted this premise.
This is exactly what that bassist is doing to attract attention, and don't argue otherwise as she would not be able to string a coherent supportable argument to back herself even if she tried.
Also, male musicians aren't regularly told that they are using their bodies as a distraction for their lack of talent, no matter what they are wearing or what they say.
Really? Then a certain person wasn't didn't generate an internet frenzy by feigning masturbation with his microphone, placing his hands down his pants or as rumored, the infamous socks in the crotch for "profile enhancement".
wasn't didn't? Now who can't string a coherent sentence together?
When did people tell him he was using his body as a distraction, overriding any of his own words on the subject?
wasn't didn't? Now who can't string a coherent sentence together?
haha
ya know, even people with extraordinary intellect don't spell check ^_~
When did people tell him he was using his body as a distraction, overriding any of his own words on the subject?
When he asked the girls to moan for him. Smartass.
She can play bass. She's an average player.
Aaaactually, she was the one who said she couldn't. But, she said, that was okay, because she could do a backbend.
And anyone who has gone to see them and who does not think that Gerard craps soft-serve ice cream has said that she frequently stops playing her bass, but somehow the bass track keeps going.
Expecting a woman to do better than what you expect from a man and requiring them to be absolutely perfect before you deem them acceptable isn't feminist and only reinforces what you claim to be against.
Who said anyone expected her to do better? Most bands who get caught using backing tracks get called out. Most bands who lack musicianship get called out. Crappy boybands who stand there and lip-sync while trying to look cute get called out. She just seems to think that she's exempt from getting called out by virtue of not having a peen.
As for the awesomely feminist 'dancing in a short skirt' crack, watch some footage of her on stage and in the crowd that isn't a carefully selected 30 second clip.
You mean when she's getting felt up by 14 year old boys, of which she is admittedly fond, like she said? No thanks.
Those words can be used in non-derogatory ways.
Sure they can: when you're speaking out against them. But to MSI, they are nothing more than button words, to anger and hurt people.
but attacking them in such a simplistic and inaccurate way only serves to benefit them.
Anon, MSI are not rocket scientists. They're not even musicians. They admit that real musicians bore them, and that real musicians must not have any friends, to have had time to "get that good." So, they're pretty simplistic themselves.
And it doesn't serve them at all. Serving them would be buying their product. Actually, that would be just simple commerce which doesn't even imply service. I'm sure that some would argue that there's no such thing as bad publicity, but they're usually the types who don't know any other way of getting attention. And making further fun of them hardly "serves" them, even if they feel for a moment that it does.
Incidentally, anon, I never called her a slut, nor ever even implied that she was one. I don't know what she does with her free time. All I know is her band's crappy stage act, and how exploitative they all are. Notice that I usually talk about them as a whole, and not just her; as opposed to most of the media, because of her being married to Gerard and all. Nope, that didn't help them along at all. Not at all. And, nope, neither of them ever pushed their relationship onto the stage and into their act. Nope. Never.
Anyway, the point is, I like to occasionally dance in a short skirt too, anon. But I don't get paid for it and call it "music."
I just leave the "slut-shaming" to bands like MSI, who write about bitches on their knees and five year old panty shots and such.
Er, Kapunua actually said that Gerard "turned in a pitiless monster". So.
Nice try, but actually, I didn't. I said that if he was the kind of guy who would dump his girlfriend because she had cancer, as Loveman suggested before I knew who Loveman was, that would make him into some kind of pitiless monster.
Good job!
You know, the funny thing is that I don't even have to sit here at 6:30 AM typing all this out if I didn't feel like it. I could merely quote the entirety of "Five Year Old Panty Shot" and all your arguments about how much you hate how I feel about MSI would be moot. It's just that you keep putting words in my mouth, so, you know. Have fun with that.
You might also notice that I called Gerard on his ridiculous behavior way more than I ever called Lindsey on any of hers, anon.
Ooooooh, ANTICHRIST!
Haha! Too funny.
Later!
Really? Did you miss huge swathes of popular music?
No I didn't just because I don't say anything about Brit and others like her
I was referring to men and specifically the boybandish types, which are basically an exception to the standard of how men are treated in the culture as a whole and also in the music world. A couple of guys being judged by the rules that are standard for all female musicians doesn't make an equivalent situation.
While men have to suck up and take it. Women can run around and scream don't judge me on my appearance or lack of ability because you are being sexist.
Your world sounds very interesting.
than I ever called Lindsey on any of hers
But she's the biggest anti-feminist out there, right?
it hasn't been a couple of guys. All musicians when they do something stupid or are seen as being nothing more than pretty get called out on their shit. Just because you don't see doesn't mean it isn't happening.
I know the lead singer of sugar ray was getting shit for a while for his looks and because peoples said the band wouldn't last. Linkin Park by many were consider a boy band type.
One of the MTV VJ was always making fun of them. Green day was saying shit about their (LP and bands like them) kinda of music. Older punks said shit about Green Day and how they weren't really a punk band. Rappers and their fans are always saying shit about each other. Vanilla Ice I think got shit from everyone.
I don't follow to many of the bands that are popular right now so I don't know who is getting shit for what but I now that FOB and P!ATD get shit said about their looks and music.
Most of the hair mental bands got shit as well.
Noye to self:
Da was rigjht, There is no rush hoir on satuirdaym leabe at 7:e0 nezty sat.
Jesus!!
Oh well! Now I hjavwe nine hours of class. O_0
metal bands not mental bands. and if i put things instead of thinks or thinks instead of things this should fix it as well.
7;21 lmao! Find where I said tha. So that's how youi roll is it? Can't refute my opinin so you just mke up thing I said? Have fn with that,
Aaaactually, she was the one who said she couldn't. But, she said, that was okay, because she could do a backbend.
Actually she said that when dudes come up to her and tell her she's a shitty bass player (and I can tell you from experience that it doesn't matter how good or bad you are, if you're a girl, dudes will come up to you and tell you that) she just says yeah but I bet you can't play a bassline while doing a backbend. She didn't really talk about her current ability but a shitty bass player is still a bass player.
And anyone who has gone to see them and who does not think that Gerard craps soft-serve ice cream has said that she frequently stops playing her bass, but somehow the bass track keeps going.
Actually, they've said that when she jumps out into the crowd a tech puts on backing track.
Incidentally, anon, I never called her a slut, nor ever even implied that she was one.
Yes, as long as you never use the actual words its all kosher. However the awesome thing about the term slut-shaming is that you don't have use the word slut or even imply that, and it can still be slut-shaming.
Anyway, the point is, I like to occasionally dance in a short skirt too, anon. But I don't get paid for it and call it "music."
Like that :)
I know the lead singer of sugar ray was getting shit for a while for his looks and because peoples said the band wouldn't last. Linkin Park by many were consider a boy band type.
One of the MTV VJ was always making fun of them. Green day was saying shit about their (LP and bands like them) kinda of music. Older punks said shit about Green Day and how they weren't really a punk band. Rappers and their fans are always saying shit about each other. Vanilla Ice I think got shit from everyone.
How is any of that the same thing as the level of scrutiny that female musicians routinely experience?
7;21 lmao! Find where I said tha. So that's how youi roll is it? Can't refute my opinin so you just mke up thing I said? Have fn with that,
Verita's, a couple of posts back, or did you delete it when you were called on the ridiculousness of that statement.
Your on a roll, aren't you?
^You're
I think Britney is a talentless little girl. She can't sing and can barely dance.
Britney is a really good dancer. She had a excellent voice when she younger. A lot of people have wondered about that. She has worked her ass off since she was teenager without a lot of say in what she did.
She said she was a shitty bass player in the taste it TV interview she did right after she got married. It was only after the fan girls started worshipping her that she decided she was anything but shitty.
I get the feeling that her saying that is what she says to dudes that call her shitty is something she has just started to say.
If people are telling you you can't play just because you are a girl than show them you can play. Instead of sticking up for someone who has said they don't want to get better at playing.
And if more than one person is telling you that you are bad at something I doubt they are doing it because you are a girl. Most likely you aren't that good at it and need to practice more
And there are a number of women bass players that are damn good and don't get called shitty because they are girls. But that is because they put in some effort to be good and have come up with a sound that is their own.
Actually, they've said that when she jumps out into the crowd a tech puts on backing track.
If you believe that load of bull I have a bridge in NY that I want to sell you.
How is any of that the same thing as the level of scrutiny that female musicians routinely experience?
January 10, 2009 8:20 AM
You just want to play the victim card with this don't you. Have you not noticed that most of the ones that get the most shit are the ones that use their body more than their talent. Or who let drugs and alcohol take over their life.
I will give you that Britney has worked hard. But singer and dancer I don't see it or hear it.
A song for today:
What I'm Looking For
Well I don't know what I'm looking for
But I know that I just wanna look some more
And I won't be satisfied
'Till there's nothing left that I haven't tried
For some people it's an easy choice
But for me there's a devil and an angel's voice
Well I don't know what I am looking for
But I know that I just wanna look some more
Well I don't know what I'm living for
But I know that I just wanna live some more
And you hear it from strangers
And you hear it from friends
That love never dies, love never ends
Now I don't wanna argue, no I don't wanna fight
'Cause you're always wrong and I'm always right
Well I don't know what I am living for
But I know that I just wanna live some more
I used to be involved, and I felt like a king
Now I've lost it all and I don't feel a thing
I may never grow old, I may never give in
And I'll blame this world that I live in
I visit hell on a daily basis
I see the sadness in all your faces
I've got friends who have married
And their lives seem complete
Here I am still stumbling down a darkened street
And I act like a child and I'm insecure
And I'm filled with doubt and I'm immature
Sometimes it creeps up on me and before I know it
I'm lost at sea
But no matter how far I row
I always find my way back home
But I don't know what I've been waiting for
But I know that I don't wanna wait anymore
Looking for...
What I'm looking for...
Looking for...
What I'm looking for...
Looking for...
What I'm looking for...
Looking for...
What I'm looking for...
Looking for...
Brendan Benson
I'm singing this song everywhere today and I sure as hell know the lyrics apply to me, so maybe someone else can relate to them too.
And with that, I say...
Let's all do our best to have a
simply sensational sunny sweet Saturday filled with lots of singing and songs or whatever other stuff we like!
And there are a number of women bass players that are damn good and don't get called shitty because they are girls.
Yes they do.
If you think that someone is using feminism/gender as a means of avoiding legitimate criticism, why would you help them by used gendered arguments and terms when you're talking about them?
Actually she said that when dudes come up to her and tell her she's a shitty bass player (and I can tell you from experience that it doesn't matter how good or bad you are, if you're a girl, dudes will come up to you and tell you that) she just says yeah but I bet you can't play a bassline while doing a backbend. She didn't really talk about her current ability but a shitty bass player is still a bass player.
Actually, she didn't say anything about "dudes". She said "people". And, she did talk about her current ability. Perhaps you should watch the interview again.
"I am not a fucking superstar bass player. I am a great performer and nobody can take that away from me. People attack me sometimes. They say I'm a shitty bass player and I say, "You know what? Fine, fuck you, it's true, but do a backbend and, like, fucking play the bass line, I dare you."
Then later, "I have no, like, like, fucking delusions of grandeur about, like, my place in, like, the world of musicians. However, I do not want to be one of them either."
9.26 you are just being argumentative. I show you example of how what you think the real word is like is wrong and like stubborn mule you don't even stop to take it and think about.
Not everyone women is told they suck because they are a women but it is easier for you to believe that than to think it might be that you aren't that good at something.
If you really cared about playing your instrument instead of crying about being told you sucked "because you are a women" you would show the people that said that to you that they are wrong.
You want people to see you as a good bass player than do the work to become a good bass player and stop using your vagina as an excuse for being told you are shitty at playing.
Anonymous said...
If you think that someone is using feminism/gender as a means of avoiding legitimate criticism, why would you help them by used gendered arguments and terms when you're talking about them?
January 10, 2009 9:28 AM
I guess you are directing that at me. I not great at translating the arguments that I come up with in my head into words.
I just go with what is easy for me to write and won't take to long to type. I take on these debates so often because I want to get better at critical thinking and translating my thoughts in to words.
You know practice so I can get better at it.
Jules,
I have missed reading crackberry! Yay for the return of the crackberry!!! Have a great day at skewwwl!
Crackberry FTW! :)
She can play bass. She's an average player.
Aaaactually, she was the one who said she couldn't. But, she said, that was okay, because she could do a backbend.
I have to back you up on this. I heard it, too. I rarely have any opinions on the subject at all but I did hear her say this and I read the latest interview where she was pissed off about being asked about 'not playing bass/being the pretty one'. It kinda made me go O_o.
I mean, WTF?
And speaking of unrelated LynZ backbends, I tried to prove to my husband the other night that I could still do one. OMFG. I tried to stand up afterward and I thought he was gonna have to take me to the ER. I was slumped over and couldn't move. It was quite funny.
^_^
no one on tha corner has swagga like Mayo
Haha missed te craxkberry did ya? Ir is rto laugh, hoh haha! ;D. I misd it tiooi.
Well I am in the cafwteria watching snow fall and eting a yucky salad which I will not get again.
Anatomy 12:39:00 PM oyt early beausw it waas the first claass. But 7./ it is a dfive hour vlass normally. And he goes reeeeewallu fgast!
BUT! I like this class a lot!
Oh and check this out$ the teacher hatwes morning so he pushed it back a hal hour. Yay! Tha extra half hour of sleep will be great. :5
Wow the snow is rtally comiong down. Fun drivinmg home later!
Well I have 2 hour to kiull before my next class at 2:30.
Hmmm!!
Oh hry anonm with the whoile "slut shaming" thinmg that I didn't say but yoiu said io said anyway. Yoiu know it's funnu, apparently there atre lots of thing I didn't say that you like to tell me I did say.
Huh, then I wonder at ypour opinion on people who actually DO sayu things like that aboyt people. Calling them sluts and much worse names.
Like, I dunno, MSI.
later all! :D
Okay crackbery keep randomy deleting myu browser wtf. Does tis work?
I feel so so bad for the people who have to sit beside her for all those hours
and i feel so bad for you anon for being such a bitch!!
I wouldn't mind sitting next to Kapu. I happen to think she seems very nice. Sweet. But to each his own.
hey nice anon.
how goes it?
I have sat next to Jules, ate next to Jules, sipped sake with Jules, shared ice cream with Jules, laughed out loud with Jules, rode on bus with Jules, walked around Mickey Mouse land with Jules, slept in the same room with Jules and it was such an amazing hella good time that it made me wish the day had way more than 24 hours in it.
hiya solly!!
how are you?
liked your lyrics earlier. my fav bit was:
I used to be involved, and I felt like a king
Now I've lost it all and I don't feel a thing
I may never grow old, I may never give in
And I'll blame this world that I live in
I visit hell on a daily basis
I see the sadness in all your faces
I've got friends who have married
And their lives seem complete
Here I am still stumbling down a darkened street
Thanks for giving them a read, FASC. I liked that very part too!! I just thought all the lyrics were words we could relate to.
absolutely solly.
and although i am married, doesn't mean i don't still feel that way or have felt that way.
just because i am married doesn't mean that all is perfect in this world!! well i think you know that anyway.
shit it's nearing me leaving solly.
you good?
Yeah, I think I'm pretty good today.
You all good?
*waves to Mr. Bloke*
oh and i just wanted to say to Belle, that i hope all is OK and you are getting all the support and help you can. that's a scary one and i do hope that all is in order with you.
and on a sidenote i do miss the younger ones here, specifically thinking of Jade and PH. just seems very empty here and well that makes me sad.
I agree. Sometimes it seemed it did take some of the young'uns to put us in our place and make us realize how completely crazy we were behaving.
i'm fine thankies solly.
mr bloke waved back solly! fuck me there is a first!!
get this, i said solly waved at you. he said "is she nice?" i said she's lovely, and he waved!! well that's the best you'll get from him!!
Yayness! Tell Mr. Bloke that I am smiling and I am honored that he threw up a wave!!
Sometimes it seemed it did take some of the young'uns to put us in our place and make us realize how completely crazy we were behaving.
absolutely solly, and also good for them to realise that we can be older (and maybe have kids of our own) and still be fucked up. i think the youth of today need to see that we all still struggle and we certainly do not think we are better than any of them!
oh my fucking god he high fived you!!
well solly you are fucking honoured there my friend!!
do you find our spelling differences odd btw?
honored/honoured
and all the "u's" we put in and all the "z's" you put in. i find it weird??!
Absolutely, FASC. I am no closer to figuring out my fucked up shit than I was 20 years ago, but hey, at least now I kind of know how to roll with it. And on some days, I don't even bother with the figuring. I just do my best not to get hurt and not hurt anyone in the process.
Wooohoo! Me and Mr. Bloke are tight and down with each other like four flat tires!!
(That means we're like friends and stuff.)
I think I used to find it weird, but now, I feel almost half British after talking to all of you.
Absolutely, FASC. I am no closer to figuring out my fucked up shit than I was 20 years ago, but hey, at least now I kind of know how to roll with it. And on some days, I don't even bother with the figuring. I just do my best not to get hurt and not hurt anyone in the process.
you know what solly, all i can say is, some days are better than others.
i have it in me to just wallow like a muthafucka, but well some days are better than others!!
Wooohoo! Me and Mr. Bloke are tight and down with each other like four flat tires!!
he's quite excited, he has no American friends! i think he has been jealous of me for a while!!
NB. mr bloke being excited = teeny tiny smirk playing on his lips! this guy does not show emotion!! weirdly he married me! i have no control over my emotions!
i have it in me to just wallow like a muthafucka, but well some days are better than others!!
You said it right there, my friend!
But I have found that you guys won't allow me to wallow around here for very long without pulling my fucked up ass up and out of the wallowing pit.
I think I used to find it weird, but now, I feel almost half British after talking to all of you.
cool!
i have said "dude" on occasion and have been stared at like i was a fuckin alien!!
speaking of that how meffing good is "Spaceman" by the killers, new single out sometime this month!! i want to say the 19th Jan?? but i might have dreamt that!!
I love "Spaceman"! They did that one on SNL. Is there a video out yet?
But I have found that you guys won't allow me to wallow around here for very long without pulling my fucked up ass up and out of the wallowing pit.
well that is certainly my job solly!"
aren't you paying me for that shit??!
haha! i love ya babe, but i have to go now. tis 22.24 and that's the way the dice rolls!!
have a fun evening solly and give that little sis of yours a big hug from me. and i am still waiting to see pics of her hair!!
love to you all!
mayo and SS you too!
Bye FASC! I'll tell Smoke what ya said and oh yeah, the check is in the mail for sure! I owe you like a gazillion dollars for pulling me out of the pit! Love ya!
Bye Mr. Bloke!
I love "Spaceman"! They did that one on SNL. Is there a video out yet?
video filmed on 7th Jan. not seen it yet!! i bet it's freaky weird cos that song sure is!! i have a david bowie "the man who fell to earth" vibe in my head. well let's hope the chick doesn't piss herself while watching that?? i was very young and couldn't quite understand how the piss came out kinda neatly?? it was weird!!
seeya solly!
I wish we could just go nowhere.
You ain't got no style, muthafucka.
You used to be fierce. You used to be ruthless!
Don't fucking get on my case, all right? Look, only reason I started selling pot is so I could put my bubbeh in a nice retirement home.
You just got killed by a Daewoo Lanos, motherfucker!
Yeah, maybe. Maybe he went to heaven. He was a little fucker. He could've gone to hell.
Man, listen, I would just appreciate it if both of y'all would take your shoes off. This is brand-new carpet. You're tracking mud in here. Matheson, you got British Knights on. I ain't seen anybody wear them since 1987...
I'm hoooome!
Solly, thank you so much for those words!
Anon, I am quite nice to sit next to in class; am very considerate and I never lean in front of the person next to me or take up too much space. :)
It took me about an hour and 45 minutes to get home because we are having this big snowstorm right now. It was an interesting slide home actually. I went right through a red light and just kept on going. O_O
Not pretty.
Okay, time for a shower and pajamas! :)
good morning, though it's closer to lunchtime, Had a big sleep in after a great party, and it was great as it is raining so nice and cool
Apparently we are going swimming sometime later, in the rain probably I have no idea
Hi k glad you're ok, sliding in snow must be scary, at least you didn't end up in a ditch like poor elena
I wanna go swimming!!! That would be soooo much fun!
fasc sdock, I love Spaceman too, it's so catchy, I really wonder what the clip will be like, the lyrics are wonderful
Hi Ergo, Hi Smoke!
I agree, swimming would rule! We wanted to go to the beach so bad today!
Ergo, Do you like Dustland Fairytale and Goodnight Travel Well?
they have a lovely pool smoke, it has big rocks around some areas and it and an area where it gets really shallow like a little beach, they are still landscaping it is as the previous owners didn't finish it all off
I am liking all of it so far sdock, still listening though to get a good feel for it, I've only heard it through about 3 times, I listen in the car.
Hey Mayo!
Love rules at the love shack.
Just singing...
I heard that the other day and it just stuck and so I am singing it to you so that now it will be stuck in your head.
The love shack is a little ol place where we can get together! Love shack baby!
Oh, and Rock of Love Bus is kind of way up there on the ewwwwh scale.
Told ya it was ewwwwww. O_o
oh I love the funk feel of Joy Ride too
Smoke,
Just when you think it can't get ewwwwier, it surpasses the ewwiness of the last 90 seconds.
Ergo,
Joyride is different, for sure. The thing I love about The Killers is that I know that in a few months I will have a new fave.
I have the Killers on London Live right now :]
And I'm jealous, Ergo!
I just watched Bret Michaels get tongued by girl who just spent the last 5 mins in the bathroom puking.
Ewwwwh! He said she tasted Dorito's and tequila and...
*note to self*
do NOT watch Rock of Love Bus
sdock you just added another good reason to an already long list
Yep.
Bret is stank nasty.
I've been watching The Bad Girls Club and Kayla is about to get a beat down from Tiffany. It's about damn time, too.
What would we do without reality tv? I mean, seriously?
^_^
Gotta shower.
Be back later!
I am not a fucking superstar bass player. I am a great performer and nobody can take that away from me. People attack me sometimes. They say I'm a shitty bass player and I say, "You know what? Fine, fuck you, it's true, but do a backbend and, like, fucking play the bass line, I dare you.
Let me tell you something. A lot of people are disrespecting me. They say that the movie's just about farts. It's about family, and like.... Fuck you! You can't do what I do!
My husband has a pot belly! LOL! He's never had a pot belly before. That's what eating ice cream for lunch and supper will do for ya.
Of course, he still only weighs about 135. O_o
Fine, fuck you, it's true, but do a backbend and, like, fucking play the bass line, I dare you.
No, thank you. I tried a backbend the other day and it almost killed me so, no. You can have your backbends.
LOL, it's UNCANNY.
Bakbends feel good and they are actually really good for your back muscles. :)
309!
Yeah, but if you haven't tried one in a about fifteen years and you make yourself do one just to prove that you can, OMG. ^_^
Kinda like proving you can still do a split. I won't be trying that anytime soon. O_o
Oh yeah, sometimes I try to get back to doing a split even after a few weeks and it's not feeling too nice. O_O
I'm not convinced legs were meant to go that way, to be honest. ^_^
Wow, Bret sent the yoo-hoo shot girl home! Color me all shades of surprised!!
I can't do a split, a backbend or a motherfuckin cartwheel, or play the bass.
I fail at life.
No you don't Solly, you rule at life more than most people. :D
I used to be able to do all kinds of shit but not now. My little cousin can bend her legs all kinds of ways. Like she's a little contortionist, for real. Actually she's not little, she's only thirteen but she's taller than me but still. I think she's made out of rubber bands.
Yoo-hoo girl got shot down! And DJ Lady Tribe, too. Hahaha!
Where in the hell do they find these people?
Okay, Jules, I will say that...
I flail at life. How's that?
Smoke used to be able to do all sorts of stuffs like that.
Hey,I flail at life, too. Only when I do it, I get colored belts every few years. ;D
You guys were like little Cirque du Soleils people!
smoke I think they create them in a lab somewhere, beside the one that makes infomercial people
why does rain always make me feel like baking? Oat slice today
Ummm, Smoke, I got no clue what the screening process is, but it must not be all that tough.
On second thought, maybe it is.
o_O
You flail at life? LOL! Hahaha!
Okay, for 2009, I am going to learn how to do a backbend with ease and a split.
That's my goals.
Lame, I know but WTH? Why not?
BRB, shower time!
Kinda like Hammer time but without the big poofy pants and the back up dancers and without the Hammer.
Can't touch this..nah, nah, nah, nah!
I am not a fucking superstar bass player. I am a great performer and nobody can take that away from me. People attack me sometimes. They say I'm a shitty bass player and I say, "You know what? Fine, fuck you, it's true, but do a backbend and, like, fucking play the bass line, I dare you.
So where is the part where she says that she can't play?
Rain makes you want to bake? It just makes me want to have very clean floors and take a nap. O_o
I wanna do those ribbon dance thingies like they do in the circus. Ya know, where they swing around by the ribbons? Ya know? Yeah.
Exactly, why the beef not?
Fine, fuck you, it's true
"You know what? Fine, fuck you, it's true,"
She admits she's shitty right there.
Just sayin'.
I better start limbering up right now. But how? Stretching? Hmmm...
I'd love to do that hang of the giant ribbon stuff, looks like great fun
I did rhythmic gymnastics in high school and the ribbon on the stick was the best, makes you feel so graceful
Stretching is always good! I do that as much as possible. ^_^
Careful now, Smoke.
I want a back handspring in my repertoire. I was kind of obsessed with the floor exercises in gymnastics.
Good thing, Da Rake has some muscle relaxers. I'll probably need some. O_o
I've always wanted to be able to do a back flip. I've always been too scared to try it though.
I have no, like, like, fucking delusions of grandeur about, like, my place in, like, the world of musicians. However, I do not want to be one of them either.
Hallo everyone!
We had a ribbon on a stick too. Until one of the clod-footed boys stepped on it and ripped it.
I used to love the giant parachute too.
That LynZ statement always made me go all google-eyed. I wanna ask her, "Seriously? You're serious? Are you for real? Why?"
I just don't get it.
Meh, oh well.
I'm scared to try a backflip, too. I can do a cartwheel, a roundoff, a front walkover and--with an extra hand--a back walkover (but that's not pretty!)
Aerials are the kind of thing that you can only learn by doing them; you can't practice them in your head. However, not knowing how to do them before you try them can also break your damn legs, so it's just one of those things.
That LynZ statement always made me go all google-eyed. I wanna ask her, "Seriously? You're serious? Are you for real? Why?"
Me, too. I love music. And if I was ever going to play some for someone, I'd try my damndest to make it the best I could.
You just reminded me to practice the guzheng tomorrow! It's been a while. :)
339?
Yeah, don't they teach the gymnasts by like strapping them into bungees and letting them fall into big piles of foam?
Yeah, I have to agree, Smoke. That statement of hers does make me do the sideways puppy dog face and make that puppy noise kind of like, errrrr umm?
But there are lots of folks that make me do that when they speak or I read them, so, take that for what it's worth.
Hello all
Hallo Elena!
Hey Elena! How'ya doing?
Solly, I think you're right! I wish we had something like that at the Kung Fu school. Then I'd be willing to try it. one of my training brothers offered to teach me to do a backflip by just flipping me and I was like, "Thanks, but not just now."
O_o
Hey Elena! How are you?
Yeah, I can't imagine loving to do something like playing the bass and not caring if I was any good or not. That just doesn't even make sense to me.
Hi Amy, Smoke, Sdock and K
I'm doing okay. Just got home from work.
I can do a backbend but damn it I can't seem to pull myself back up. I've got to work on that.
Long day Elena?
I did a backbend in the kitchen on New Years Eve. I got a lot of weird looks, but not much else.
HI Amy
Hi Elena!
those bungee cords and foam pits would be the only way to learn, plus it'd just be fun, I'd love to try trapeze
Princess, it's like they say: If something is worth doing,it's worth doing right. :)
Elena, my belly dance teacher taught me a trick to getting up from a hinge (that's the Matrix Bullet Dodge move,) and the same goes for a backbend. If you imagine pulling yourself up from your chest, like if there was a string coming from your sternum that was pulling you up, then for some reason it's so much easier to get up.
Right now I can touch my head to the floor without putting my hands down, and then come back up without putting my hands down. And the easiest way to do that is to pull up with your chest. :)
Hi Elena,
How's the mad crazy weather in your part of the world?
Hallo Ergo!
I'd be too afraid of snapping my neck on a bungee, it's just this phobia I have.
Yeah it was a long day but the store was busy so it was good.
Last person in the store was one of Sunshine's friends. He's her age and he comes in to show me the poetry he's written. It's kinda cute cause he always wants my opinion.
Hearing you guys talk about all backbends and flips and acrobatics makes me want to try something.
*ponders attempting a backbend*
Dude, I dunno. I am so top heavy I might break my neck.
Damn, Jules! I can't imagine. And my head is alot closer to the floor than yours so I'd only have to go half as far! LOL!
I'm so gonna do it. And when I do, I'm gonna video it and put it up here for you guys to see.
Maybe. :)
Solly! I can just picture that!
Do it Smoke, do it!
E, that's so cute!
Solly, try doing a wall-walk first. That's how we were taught to learn it in grade school gym and it worked for a lot of people. :)
oh that's lovely elena, must make the da seem a bit brighter,
Amy I'd never do bungee jumping, I just don't see the point, plus it's dangerous and I'm not a big adrenaline risk lover, but to learn trapeze or gymnastics they use those elastic cords so you don't fall now.
Back when hen I was doing the uneven bars once, my teacher had just helped me jump up off the springboard to grab the top bar and it came away from the pole at one end, thank goodness she had hold of me, and that it wasn't while I was doing something!
ignore the hen that got in that last comment, I haven't shut the coop up today
Bwahahaha!
Jules, I might need a spotter. What if I fall and I can't get up?
Ergo,
Was it Meg?
Oh, how is Meg?
Solly,
You need LHM to help you.
Speaking of LHM, Mayo he was totally talking about you today. No lie.
Haha, hens and gymnastics! ^_^
Solly, the wall is your spotter. You just crawl over backwards with your hands on the wall, going further and further down till you reach the floor. Then you use your hands on the wall to "walk" you back up. That is the quickest way to learn to get down to the floor.
Then you do it without the wall, then you do it without your hands. :)
I will try doing it that way K but I have to admit I don't like falling back on my head which I've done a few times.
Sdock our weather is very cold again. Many trips to feed the dragon tonight.
Hey Ergo
Oh, Mayo I was thinking of you today when we were talking about tao and physics in this one class of mine. I think you'd like how these two thought paradigms go together.
Do you know what wu ji is, Mayo? :)
Oh, E if you feel you're going to fall, tuck your chin,slap out, and land on your butt. :)
Not applicable if a 6'1, 180 lb is throwing you into the air however.
Or, well, it should be, but not when you're giggling like a fool. ^_^
I'll have to try it that way. Right now, I can only do it from the floor up.
6'1", 180 lb BOY is what I meant to say.
Damn, I still have whiplash really bad.
369!
Well you guys, I am going to watch my X Files (Oh man, I'm up to Tunguska and Terma, and, oh, poor Krycek! I can't watch that scene in Terma! I always have to look away.)
Then I'm going to go into my warm bed and sleep until ten tomorrow.
Yay!
I've had an inspiring and very thoughtful and frenetic yet happy wee.
Hope you all have, too. ^_^
WEEK. I've had a thoughtful, frenetic and happy WEEK.
Not WEE.
Although after all that tea I drank, maybe.
It probably was Meg, she's doing really good, still clucking happily, and she's laying now so earning her keep!
I just thought about trying and actually put my hands on the wall and started and then got really scared of you know, getting hurt, so I stopped.
Night Jules! Sweet dreams!
I'm gonna go finish The Bad Girls Club. I may be back later.
See ya!
Night K
Sleep well. Oh and I forgot to say that reading your comments today while you were at school gave me a giggle. At first I thought it was a foreign language.
G'nite, Jules! Sweet dreams!
Ergo, that's so cool that Meg is just rocking along like that.
Ergo, you're a hen? O_O
Elena, that's a pretty big compliment for you, don't you think?
Yeah, crackberry is a language all its own, for sure.
I got a giggle when I re-read it too, Elena. :)
Good luck with your guys's gymnastic endeavors and such. :D
Good night!
Hope you all have a great wee.
buck buck buck buckerk!
Oh one of my Mike Oldfield cassettes is on it's last legs, it's making a bad squeaking noise as it turns :[
I need to update to Cd's
LOL!
You can just wind it back in. Until he starts siinnnggiingg liiikkkeee thhhhiiisssss, you should be fine.
Amy
You mean about the guy showing me his poetry? Yeah, I think it's pretty neat. Actually he's been a customer for a few years but didn't know I was Sunshine's mom. One day at work he said something about the book store in Leavenworth and about the woman who's ownes it was pretty cool cause she was always playing good music. Sunshine said she rolled her eyes and said "Dude, that's my mom." LOL
well at the moment it's
shadow sqeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on sqweee sqweeee the sqweeee wall sqweeeeeeeeeeee
I'm off too. Time to go youtube it up with Jack White and Brendan Benson, maybe even a little Brandon and The Killers.
Night, Guys!
Night, Mayo!
Night, SS!
goodnight K smoke sdock sweet dreams
Night Sisters
Sweet Dreams
Hahha!
I had a Bryan Adams tape that I played until it got gutted two or three times. It eventually went:
"Igotmyfirstreeeeeeaaallll siiixx stringg...gotitathefiveanddime..."
And then, OM NOM NOM.
OM NOM NOM is the worst sound in the whole of Cassettedom. I have lost quite a few to that.
I have even pulled the tape out and spliced it with sticky tape to try and resurrect the rest
I hated it, but then it gave my parents a reason to finally buy me some CDs. They got tired of hearing my heavy, emo sighs.
maybe I should try that now...
*heavily eyelined emo sigh*
I need 5 cassettes replaced with CD's
*long black hair over face emo sigh*
because Mike Oldfield is the only performer who truly understands me
*black skinny jean emo sigh*
BAHAHAHAH1!!
*ripped pantyhose over arms emo sigh*
I mean, he's truly the one who sings to my heart.
*cutting fingertips off of red and black gloves emo sigh*
And I won't feel whole and complete with out it.
*powdery white faced emo sigh*
You know?
I do know Amy, now my only hope is that someone hears my plea!
*note to self*
write down list of CD's I need and send to brother, parents and copy for hubby
Just ran in from the kitchen while making dinner to tell you guys you are making me laugh....
Damn I think I just burned the bacon
*pulling on red boots with black laces emo tears over burnt bacon*
*puts more holes in her emo arm-y hose*
I weep for your bacon Elena.
Seriously, see my mascara? Running like a bitch.
LOL
shame Mike Oldfield isn't remotely emo.
have you ever heard him Amy?
oh me
me!
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