Most of it is gone now.
The rain having pelted the remains
the final time.
I passed by yesterday
and felt what could have been
your hand. The scream,
I won’t let go. Today
I stopped.
I buy gas and cheap
bags of pretzels, she wants candy.
I refuse,
and contemplate
what could have been
for you
in those last moments.
Did you let go
knowing?
Pump stopped.
Ten minutes I have stood,
you are here for eternity.
Always yielding, never turning.
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I got miss T's email not J's. I replied back miss t
you're welcome miss t. i thought you'd like it. (it has a secret ingredient. can you guess what it is?)
*wink wink*
i have a question, which just now popped into my vacant head. when do shows in the uk generally start?
anyone?
aah miss T lack of sleep is not good. i am permanently lacking!!
MJ,
My email's fucked today, of course.
But I think we both know what we're talking about.
Mustard, TJ, you with us on that?
J
I believe we do. I don't know when it hit me but it hit me. We will have to wait and see what happens.
That was absolutely gorgeous, Mayo.
You are so incredibly talented and I know that even though you try to hide it sometimes, you care more about the past then you let on.
yep, i'm there, j.
I do now see that my posting here, is only causing confusion.
Posting about The interview, was taken wrong.
All here crave anything and everything you can find on a certain person.
I try to provide such, and in such a way as i possibly can, i have said that.
Watching the interview, i had hoped you would see what i see.
Threw my eyes, not the rock star you see with rose color glasses.
You did catch the personal question, and how he avoided answering it.
As too i hoped you would.
Have no more worries about which anon is which, as i am no more.
Go back to the fun days, when i set and laughed at the post on here.
Back to friends helping friends out, and dirty talk that even made me blush.
Back to the reason this blog is here, and why i spoke up in the first place.
You are more faithful than i, for i pop in and out, a tourist most of the time.
Thank you for believing in me, for no where else am i heard but here.
Hurt, yes
because so much is misread, and misinterpeted, and causes others pain and confusion.
No more bad spelling or grammar, for i pasted away, with the hope you know its me saying this.
I would never mislead you or hurt you in any way, and this is my way of proving it to you.
False anons will come, hold yourselves together, and the truth will follow.
And then there are only two.
Mayo, i fall back in line.
You win! as always.
Thank you MJ, I really appreciate that.
Thank you to you too J.
TJ, what is the secret ingredient? It's not dribble is it?
Purple for all the purple hair in this blog?
hi again, guys!
so sorry for asking, but what happened the last days? :(
miss t, that's your special addition to the cocoa. mine is more, shall we say, spirited? ;)
J we are not exactly on the same page. The importance but not the person I think careful is closer. Always with us even when not on line.
Check your email I just got your. Miss t check yours again too.
J:
I'm following.
Let me lay it out for everyone to see, and tell me if I'm wrong.
SS's comment: "There has been an interesting developement. Is three a crowd?"
SS knows Careful. They know about each other. SS, after his 1:34 post today when he commented what I just quoted, went on to say that he was at first certain of who Careful was. But after SS became unsure of his identity after Careful began posting certain things. So, basically SS became confused as well.
SS believes that Careful can be trusted. All of this can be seen from this post:
What troubles me, is that without knowing their identity, I am unable to determine whether this person is friend or foe.
When I first read and understood what they meant by one of their comments, I immediately thought I knew who they were.
After reading subsequent comments from this person, I became concerned and decided to have a chat with him.
Trust me, no-one could fake the look of bewilderment and confusion that appeared on the face of this person this morning! I think he will be keeping a close eye on me from now on, he told me I needed to get some rest!
There are "three". SS, Careful, and who's the last?
pixie i am confused too. i'm hoping it all becomes clear!!
can anyone tell me what the personal question was in the interview???
some people have returned and so I say a big warm hello to you all.
Mib I took this as SS knowing who careful was but not pasted. Pasted was here when Careful started to get mad careful even respond to some of the things pasted had posted.
Thank you once again MJ.
Ah, TJ!
It's starting to kick in. now I am rocking, dribbling mumbling and laughing as well.
This blanket ishhh loverly.
Roger, I love you. You are my beshtest friend.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Hey Faraway.
No one could make out what the interviewer asked.
I couldn't see it, but others may know exactly the personal question.
Sorry I couldn't help.
ah good to know that I´m not the only one faraway :)
Trust me, no-one could fake the look of bewilderment and confusion that appeared on the face of this person this morning! I think he will be keeping a close eye on me from now on, he told me I needed to get some rest!
sorry MIB but did SS say this?
i'm trying to get on top of whats going on??
Hi MJ! Lots of hugs!
thanks MIB for that.
yes pixie i'm sure it will all become clear, but may be not?
he he!
Holy crap. This is going to take WAY too long to read all the posts.
How is everyone?
Martha,
I can't get into my email, the server's down, has been all weekend. Are you in agreement, or no?
Mustard,
You're close, but not exactly.
J
anon at 8:50, I am completely lost. The interview you spoke of yesterday...where can I see this?
Lolita Haze hello and hugz to you to
hi magic pie.
i know its a full time job aint it!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWB2TQJAovE
The interview.
yes pixie i'm sure it will all become clear, but may be not?
--
I still have noc lue so I vote for maybe not ;) but maybe it´s better if I don´t know everything ;)
I'm not really concerned about "Pasted". I think that yes, they seem to know things, but they don't have that SS feel about them.
J
Let's just lay it out for all to see J, so the confusion will subside.
What's not exactly right?
Faraway:
Yes, I believe all of that was SS's post. I believe he said that.
Faraway, YES it's crazy!
Thanks marthajones!
Miss t check you email
Your welcome Mp and hello.
Long-winded anonymous strikes again @ 8:50.
I don't even know what to think anymore. It's when he's talking about the band's message. I mean...Somebody's listening. I don't know who it is, but somebody's listening.
Thanks MJ.
Toujours said:
"But you know? Not all of us are sitting here thinking how cute you are and wanting to pinch your widdle cheeks and get into your pants. Not all of us are going to eat up everything you say,"
i really hope you aren't referring to anyone here with this description.
Oh my god, I can't tell you how much I hope you are kidding with this. Have you even read anything I've written this week? Haven't I sat here all frigging week and tried to call out Mayo to answer why he thinks this blog drew a bunch of mostly non fansheep? Or did that part just slip under the radar? It must have, because not only did he not deign to address that, you didn't seem to get it either.
Lookit. Anon this and anon that. Careful this and Latin that "wait till you see what interview comes next!" the other.
I just want MyChem back, and so long as Gerard is going so far out of his way to be perceived as "cool" by his hardcore new friends, that's not going to happen. Is he drinking and back on drugs? I so hope not, but nothing shocks me anymore. I don't wish to see him fail. I miss that boy with the unguarded smile, who was proud of what he stood for without being arrogant, and sincere without being simpering. All of that is gone now and he's taking the entire band with it.
That's pretty much it.
There are "three". SS, Careful, and who's the last?
I thought Mayo. But then I also thought that Gerard Way was one sincere MF, and I was wrong about that, too, so.
Well, I just watched about 2 minutes of that interview with Gee and I'm already feeling very uncomfortable...
Hi magic pie, how are you?
I miss that boy with the unguarded smile, who was proud of what he stood for without being arrogant, and sincere without being simpering. All of that is gone now and he's taking the entire band with it.
kapunua, god i know. "unguarded smile" shit i miss that so much.
I know Kapunua. I know how you feel. I'd give anything to have all of it back. Any. fucking. thing.
I can't do anything about it. You can't do anything about it. It's all up to him and the rest of the band.
I'm sick of this as much as the next person. I want the music back. I want the sincerity back. I want the mutual trust back. I just want this to be normal again.
Alright I'm going to say this again we want to hear from all sides anon @ 8:50 if you have something to say say it. We are hear listening. Yes we get confused that is no ones fault we have to figure these thing out on our own but help is appreciated. Anon you know that we have those other anons coming in to lead us in another path so don't get upset if we take what you have to say with a grain of salt. That goes for careful as well. Anon if you feel that you can't talk to here go to the other place and leave your messages. If you have been watching us you should know where it is. As I said before if you speak the truth it will come out.
Hi everyone!
I won't be here for long today but just wanted to make a few comments. Hope you are all doing well.
Mayo,
I'm still trying to figure this out, as always. I don't usually post my suspicions or theories. I keep them to myself most of the time. Just know that I am thinking of you and I hope you are okay.
SS,
You still have my heart. You have always been so sweet and kind to us and even though I'm sure you wanted to, you haven't given up. I'll never give up either. Know that.
Everyone else,
Tomorrow is Princess Smoke's birthday!!!! YAY! I know it won't be as famous as HalloFrankieWeen but come on, we can party anyway, right? Mayo, you won't mind, will you? I'll even let you help me blow out my thirty beautiful candles. I haven't forgotten how much you love fire. :)
Until then, still trying to escape the inevitable. And it's becoming more and more difficult.
XOXO,
Princess
You all have no idea how close I am to throwing in the towel.
You have no idea.
It's funny you should mention the unguarded smile.
I had a strange dream about Gerard last night. I was in a crowd full of people, and he was standing in front of me, behind a barracade. His back was turned to me, and he was talking with someone. He started laughing. He turned his head and looked right at me, with that big unguarded smile. Of course I just melted and smiled back. How could you resist a smile like that? It was so genuine. When I woke up, I realized how much I missed that from him.
Incidentally, Gerard was still blond in my dream. Still not sure if that means something.
Oh! I just got it.
careful said...
The anon with the aversion to the shift key fucked up, so he/she cries 'imposter' in a lame attempt to regain credibility.
Fuck this shit.
Listen to whoever the fuck you want.
You're on your own.
November 11, 2007 7:23 PM
Careful.. would u not be pissed off if a anon pretended to be u...wtf would you do.
u b pissed off, but get ur shit right....go cry to another blog.
credibility u just lost it.
k
Mustard,
SS never said specifically he was questioning Careful's identity. He said it was a certain post that made him ask someone something. They were not who he thought they were. So he's still looking.
I think SS has reason to trust Careful.
J
Kapu like I said I think we are being used to get Gerard's attention. I can see no other reason for there to be people who come and give us information.
I don't want to give up just yet these things take time. I think we should go back to taking things with a grain of salt.
MIB don't throw the towel in!!!! just lets hang on for a bit longer.
princess smoke, is it the big 30???
Mustard, stay with us. You've added some much needed logic and reason to the discussion, and I would really miss that if you left.
Mustard, don't you do that.
If you want to join me dribbling in the corner, you are more than welcome. This blanket is big enough for both of us.
Oh my god, I can't tell you how much I hope you are kidding with this. Have you even read anything I've written this week? Haven't I sat here all frigging week and tried to call out Mayo to answer why he thinks this blog drew a bunch of mostly non fansheep?
let's just say a sudden bout of irrational paranoia and self-doubt made me want to hear you reconfirm it. which you did, as fiercely as ever. :)
mustard, give me that towel.
give it.
hang tight. if you're feeling under a bit of a stormy situation, it'll blow over, ok?
i'm not giving the towel back, either. you're needed here.
Lets drop this shit for now and take a break. We Have had to much shit happen this week and too many people are getting piss so lets change the subject. No talk of the interview Mayo, careful, SS, pasted or who ever else. What would you guys like to talk about today? I'm sure you have some question you would like to ask each other.
Miss t you are welcome.
actually, i'm still curious about what time concerts usually start in the uk.
credibility u just lost it.
Whoa?
I know you won't respond to me directly, but can I bother you for a few minutes. I just ask that you listen.
I just got through watching "the interview". It took a good 6 hours to download it. Call me stupid or call me dedicated. Hell, call me faithful, if that's what you think I am. That's what I like to think I am. So anyways, I watched and I listened. I watched a boy trying his hardest to captivate his audience while telling his tall tales. I watched a boy and looked in his eyes and could tell that he doesn't even believe the bullshit he is trying to sell anymore. I watched a boy become lost in himself over and over again. Remember, I know all your tells. I know when you aren't being truthful. I heard someone trying their hardest to sound sincere, but just sounding insecure. I heard someone calling out for help. I heard someone listening to the sound of their own voice and almost believing that he doesn't care about what comes out anymore.
...almost
But, just for a second.......I closed my eyes and I heard the most beautiful singing voice trying to be heard over all the bullshit that he himself has created.
I see you my friend and I hear you.
And you know it....
So, now the question is this...
Will you let me try and help you?
Love to YOU Always,
S
p.s. Shall I challenge you to a duel?
TJ, about 20:00 for the support and 21:00 for the band.
MarthaJones said...
Kapu like I said I think we are being used to get Gerard's attention. I can see no other reason for there to be people who come and give us information.
I don't want to give up just yet these things take time. I think we should go back to taking things with a grain of salt.
November 11, 2007 9:25 PM
Im with you, smart move.
gotta go guys.
just made mr bloke watch that video of GWay (the recent one). bear in mind he doesn't give a fuck about any of it and he thinks i'm OTT on the whole shit. i just said watch 3 mins of this and give me your honest opinion. he said:
"its the least camp he's ever seen him (always has to have a dig at his sexuality) but he looks stoned or drunk but carries it pretty well.
mr bloke is unbiased and very honest in life so ?????
take it easy guys don't get too stressed. catch up tomorrow ok.
Sdock didn't wrap me around her waist last night like she said she would.
Blame her ;)
Thank you guys for the concern. I'm not going anywhere. I just know that things will never be the same. I'm thinking into the future with this.
The next album? Have you guys thought about that? We're going to be questioning the very essence of what the songs are: the lyrics. We'll be asking ourselves if he really meant it, if they really meant it. Was it a lie? Or is that truth that's being spilled?
Subconciously, it's going to happen. With everything we've discussed, every idea we've raised, it won't be able to be helped.
The lyrics are everything to me. Everything. The music that's layered behind it just offer support. It's the lyrics. When you start questioning the lyrics of the new album, this band will have forever changed in that regard.
It's never going to be the same again. The future with them is dreary in my eyes. It's gone.
Okay. I'm done. Next subject MJ?
MarthaJones said...
Mib I took this as SS knowing who careful was but not pasted. Pasted was here when Careful started to get mad careful even respond to some of the things pasted had posted.
November 11, 2007 9:00 PM
who is pasted?
. No talk of the interview Mayo, careful, SS, pasted or who ever else
That's crap; we talk about what we want. Beats the hell out of trying to get info on how his Grandma died.
That interviewer nailed him to the wall as if she might have been channeling any of us. It was beautiful. He tried to dodge all of her questions, but any of us with functioning brains can see right the hell through him. He's a scared little boy trying desperately to fit in with his new crowd, and until he grows up and grows a pair (or, what? marries a new chick who has different ethics that he can adopt?) we're stuck with watching this band to straight to hell. It's pathetic.
Rent an opinion much, Gerard?
thanks miss t. it seems the cocoa kicked in well. :)
Hi MissT! I'm doing well but I'm so confused by everythings that is going on in this blog right now! ;)
How are you?
Sdock, we're saying the same thing, I think. Except you're saying it with your heart and I'm saying it with my sword. Again, huh? ^_^
Kapu I didn't mean no talk of those things from now on just for now it seems some people need a break from it. I personally like hearing about it but thats me and you who could hear or talk about it for hours.
Pasted is an anon.
Mustard,
What the hell? Have you dropped the rope already?
Fuck that, I'm tying a fucking jam up knot and you will not be able to get away that easily.
And tomorrow is the big day....
Princess turns 30 muauahahahah
Rent an opinion much, Gerard?
LOL, Kapunua! Harsh, but true.
K,
Why of course we are my fearless other half, of course we are.
I think?
I'm good magic pie.
I'm totally confused too.
Hey Kapunua,
If he takes me up on my duel challenge, do you think I could borrow your sword or maybe you could help me train?
Hello to all my friends who have returned
so magic pie and miss t we could create a club: "the clueless ones" or something like that ;)
but maybe good that I don´t know everything, I´m still confused from the show last thursday ^^ I hope you all didn´t read how I waffled around friday morning here in the old post ^^
S&V:
Now that I can get back here, I want to wish you a very happy birthday.
30's the new 20 and all that shit.
Don't fret, it's just another day. Another day older is another day wiser :)
Sdock:
You didn't tie it tight enough obviously. But don't mind me. This is just how I'm feeling at the moment. Like you, my mood is kind of like trapeze artist, flipping the fuck around. ;)
I just know that things will never be the same. I'm thinking into the future with this.
...
Okay. I'm done.
sorry, mustard, but i can't let you drop that question that you raised.
here's the thing about the future:
it hasn't happened yet. and the further down the road you look, the greater the possiblities. which means that after this tour, after that break, we haven't got one clue about where this band is going to be, lyrically or anything else.
who knows what transformations are going to take place between now and the next album? you are questioning the lyrics now, but what might take place in the future that will win back your trust? or, for that matter, what lyrics will they even be writing -- the very topics might re-inspire.
of course it's never going to be the same. that's death. actually, no. it's not even death, because death is decay and the renewal of the cycle. and if this band never changed, there would be none of that lovely growth that fascinates us so much about them.
so you just have to wait and see. and have hope.
Kapu are you still there. Happy birthday s&v20
hahaha Pixie I agree!
Mustard,
Totally understand about the whole mood changing with the fucking wind. I feel you honey. More than you know. I have tied the rope tighter now and it should NOT slip off.
Hi everyone I have missed!
I just jumped right on in here without speaking to everyone. How fucking rude am I?
Happy birthday S&V20.
Pixie, we will be clueless together ha!
personally i think careful was extremly rude and showed a bad temper and attitude. we are probably better off now they are gone.
"Pixie, we will be clueless together ha!"
GOOD :)
But instead of changing for the better they are changing for the worse. I don't know why GW got it into his head that you can't have a message and a heart felt performs. If he didn't want to speak his message anymore he should have let us know. He should have said I'm not going to talk about the positive things I have said in the pass I want to focus on the music. Not hard to do.
sdock10 said...
Hey Kapunua,
If he takes me up on my duel challenge, do you think I could borrow your sword or maybe you could help me train?
Of course! Now that would be fun. ^_^
Toujours said:
which means that after this tour, after that break, we haven't got one clue about where this band is going to be, lyrically or anything else.
Actually we do. Gerard said once over the summer that he thought it was time to leave behind "vampires and the afterlife and parades" and start writing lyrics about "real life."
He's trying to fit into this new niche he's carved out for himself, because he doesn't know what else to be. He thinks that because he seems "uncool" to his wife and her friends (MSI,) he has to change who and what he is. He thinks this is what it means to "grow up."
When you scratch the surface of Gerard Way, you find other people underneath. This is one dude who seriously needs to figure out who the hell he is and stop renting identities and lifestyles.
See, Toujours. I need someone like you to follow me around all the time. Talk some sense into me and stuff like that.
You're right. I don't know what the future will bring with these guys or the lyrics. I hate to ask it, but will we even get another album? We don't know and that was your point.
I just hope what's happening now doesn't taint the future. That's my hope.
I guess it is tomorrow some places, so officially it is the Smoke's bday.
Can we start celebrating now?
Well, that would be fucked up to celebrate without the Princess.
Totally, yeah totally.
But you know who....if you happen to lurk by here, you know if you could just maybe say happy birthday to the princess, I would be so appreciative. Okay? Thanks.
Faith, Hope, Love....alfuckingways.
MarthaJones said...
But instead of changing for the better they are changing for the worse. I don't know why GW got it into his head that you can't have a message and a heart felt performs. If he didn't want to speak his message anymore he should have let us know. He should have said I'm not going to talk about the positive things I have said in the pass I want to focus on the music. Not hard to do.
I agree, but there's also more to it than that. Gerard didn't simply "stop talking about the message and start focusing on the music" like he would have everyone think by that interview. He actually went directly against his message and put "Five Year Old Panty Shot" onstage before him.
Actually quite a big difference. I'm surprised he doesn't see it himself. Actually, no I'm not. He seems to be aces at hiding things from himself.
Um. Sdock?
Maybe you could loosen it a little?
It's cutting off the circulation ;)
Kapu I think he sees it. He just uses the excuse that he his an adult know so those things don't matter anymore.
Kapunua said...
When you scratch the surface of Gerard Way, you find other people underneath. This is one dude who seriously needs to figure out who the hell he is and stop renting identities and lifestyles.
Well, if he ever figures it out, I would sure like for him to tell me how he did it because I think I have about 32 different people living in my head sometimes. hmmmm,
Who do I want to be tomorrow?
Decisions, decisions.....No, I can't do that one again. I just wore that one last week. No, that is so outdated. Oh, here's one I haven't seen in a long time...Fuck yeah, and it still fits.
Rock the fuck on, sdock10.
on the show in germany last thursday he had nothing to say, he just talked nonsense and what I thought was really creepy: he copied some gestures from jimmy ^^gestures I´ve never seen him doing before....
I mean if he was still the old gerard he would have said something about the killing spree in finland that ahppened one day before, it was all over the news...
but I shouldn´t talk about the whole show again ^^
I don't think he sees it.
False truths and all that.
He's probably convinced himself that all the things going on now are okay, and that this is who the band is now, and all that other shit was just that.
Wouldn't it be a crock if the whole message was just rubbish anyway?
Well, if he ever figures it out, I would sure like for him to tell me how he did it because I think I have about 32 different people living in my head sometimes.
I think that we all do. That's what makes us complex. But there's a huge difference between being faceted and complicated, and not knowing who the hell you are unless you have someone come along and define you.
Mustard,
You remeber what happened the last time it was too loose? Fuck yeah you do, you started to slip away. Now, I have to teach you a lesson.
And you're gonna like this shit aren't you? Fuck yeah you are....
uhhh, wait.....where was I going with this again?
...ropes, tight, knots??
Sdock:
;)
I just want to see this interview so I can see for myself what's going on. Elusion and whatnot.
I can understand how someone who has never felt comfortable being themselves could possibly take on the personalities or lifestyles of others. It makes sense. If you've never fit in, then you are constantly changing who you are. So you 'seem' comfortable, but, dude it never works. Believe me, I've tried. You just end up looking like an insecure idiot and a lying jackass. People can see right through that kind of behavior, no matter how good you think you are at role playing.
Morning peoples!
I watched about 1/2 that interview (download limits suck) but I have not seen him fidgit that much for years!
If I was the interviewer I would've tied his hands together.
He was very uncomfortable for some reason, I cannot say what, but compared to say, the blonde days, he just seemed a bit rambling and avoiding any real answers.
He used to sound quite sincere and focussed.
Martha, if Gee doesn't want to express a message anymore then that's his choice. He doesn't have to tell us anything and he doesn't need permission.
Carraveggio, the corrupted soul?
He used the corpse of a swollen,, bloated, corpse of a drowned
Florentine prostitute as his model for the dead Virgin Mary. Did his egocentricities detach meaning from his work? What did he try to convey?
He has shocked, he has
commented, he has expressed. This always has been, and always will be important.
Can we then make this same analogy with MSI and the works of Andres
Serranos aptly titled work Piss Christ which featured a crucifix submerged in a jar of urine.
Serrano was attempting to glorify his own
Catholicism, of which he is rather religious adherent. The inclusion of his own urine in the piece
was an attempt to convey the divinity of all things, the omnipresence of God in all of his
creation. He was trying to demonstrate the Trinitarian concept of God incarnate in the form of
Jesus Christ, by showing us the results of what it means to be a human being.
Serrano intended with his work, there was obviously intent to invoke anger, outrage, and hurt
sensibilities from the greater religious community.
One;s first reaction, in a society that should enshrine freedom of ideas as the most important
inalienable rights is: so what? So what if people are offended? That is the goal of art, to prod
and poke through gadfly like obnoxiousness so that one can attain some higher level of awareness.
Questioning itself is never bad, you either learn that you
beliefs are correct and your faith is strengthened, or you learn that they were wrong and you
replace them.
I think he used to mean the positive things he said in the past but he is older now and wants to be taken seriously and preaching to a bunch of teenagers is not how you do that. Taking a band like msi out and tour with you isn't but I think he feels that is a step in the right direction. Make the band not look so nice and sweet anymore.
So, MJ, compromising ones beliefs for the sake of their appearance?
That's the MCR I always knew.
Maybe not for you Mp but I supported this band because of their message. I kept buying their stuff because of that message. Without my money and a lot of other people's money where would they be. And I didn't say he couldn't change his message just let those of us who where there because of the message know that it wasn't important to them anymore. That they were leaving that behind.
As at serious risk of mistyping names today due to lack of sleep, Hi *waves* to all.
I've just seen the interview and agree it should be talked about, just for the twitchiness alone.
Put it down to whatever he is on at the moment, combined with discomfort at some of the most direct questions you'll hear posed in a long time and you'll see a man not comfortable with himself, distancing himself from his band.
How wired was his stage performance afterwards I wonder.
Still searching for himself.
I think if I had so many people expecting me to do what they want and be asking for permission to do everything and being put on a pedestal, I'd be going crazy too...
MP it's a good point, he doesn't owe fans an explaination, but he used to give them.
If he doesn't want to talk anymore, it's his choice, but it used to be a big part of the band's persona.
And Kapunua is right too, he seems to have replaced it in a fairly extreme way
But he was the one who put himself on the pedestal. He became the adoptive father of a lost group of children who felt they had been written off and now he wants to abandon them because its inconvenient.
Martha, what got me into this bad was their message as well and how genuine Gerard seemed to be. But I don't expect them to remain that way forever. Artists need to change and expand. I don't feel that they should be confined in one space and fans shouldn't expect the band to do what the fans want at all time.
I believe that artists need to answer to themselves in the end and no one else.
I understand that you and others are disappointed that the message has changed, but really, has it that much? Just because they don't shove the message in people's faces doesn't mean they still don't believe in it.
And people can say all the shit they want about MSI being this evil band that is corrupting MCR but I'll never take that seriously.
"Questioning itself is never bad, you either learn that you
beliefs are correct and your faith is strengthened, or you learn that they were wrong and you
replace them."
Agreed.
Does the fact that a certain singer may act a certain way onstage and another way off make a difference? Does it change the fact that his music is beautiful? No. Does it change the message? Yes. Does he care? I think he is beginning to realize that he does and more than he wants to admit.
Yes, Princess Smoke will be 30!!!! Oh, good gosh. I've typed it twice today and it's made me almost gag. Ahhh, it's all good though.
Better than the alternative, huh?
Hey SS, wanna change your page to say Happy Birthday Princess? That would be the coolest present ever!!! It's okay, though. I won't hold my breath for that one. I'll love ya anyway! ^_~
Ergoproxy, things in life change, do they not?
People change, music changes, messages change, priorities.
That is the way of the world.
Some of you guys have obviously never seen a rare, vintage interview with MCR, back when Matt was still in the band.
Where Gerard says, "It's all about the party."
Even then he was unsure about his "message".
It was never about the "message" for me. I'm 33 years old. I don't need messages. It was about the music and the guys playing it. That's it.
*priorities change* grrrr...I'm not paying attention to my wording tonight
Why are all of my thoughts contradicting each other now?
I think I'm gonna go now.
I'll return later.
Good conversation though.
SDock, that is SO true.
For me, I needed a message for that period in my life because I needed to believe that someone out there felt as I did about a lot of things. Once that passed, all that mattered to me was the music. And that shit is tight!
I truly believe that Gerard did feel strongly about those things but again, things change. One minute you can feel strongly about red handbags, then you feel strongly about 9/11 conspiracy feelings, then the plight of abused animals, then the new album out by your fave band. I know that sounds like it's cheaping people's beliefs and stuff but it's true.
See you later mustard.
He has become desperate to be different, perhaps through substance abuse or untreated mental health issues. I think this behaviour became more obvious following the debacle of this summer's Download festival and the severe bottling the band got. He finds it difficult that the crowd he most desperately wants to impress believe him to be the lowest of the low musically. I think it had a huge influence on subsequent behaviour during PR etc. Such a shame.
No I don't expect them to remain that why forever either but they way they went about this change is like a slap in the face.
I love their music but it was because they had positive message to their fans that I decided to give them my money. Why I would support them when people put them down. Now they are no different than any of the other bands out there. What made them special to me is gone now.
not 9/11 conspiracy "feelings"!!! I meant to write "theories". gah fuck this...
Ok I have to go for a bit, please don't start fighting !
I think MCR's message is more important to some people than others, me ? It's never been a big issue, I liked them and their music, it's the tension and behaviour that bother me.
Perhaps just agree to disagree
One hopes that the person would change for the better as they grow. Not turn back into a spoiled little three year old, throwing tantrums and trying to act tough in order to play with the cool kids.
Happy Birthday S&V20!
Maybe it's because I'm older but I never bought into this band for the message, nor let any bands'song tell me how to live my life. But many young people do. He's cutting them dry.
Geez Pixie, that must have given you a fright.Instead of copying Jimmy maybe he should look to the far right on stage to find a better role model to shape himself on.
Agreed, When you are in your in your teens you think the world can be changed, when you are in your twenties you beleive you are going to change the world, by the time you hit 30, you just hope like hell that the world hasn't changed you for the worse.
...just sayin
I don't know, guys. I don't particularly like the person Gerard has become, but I will say this -
Gerard has always wanted to rebel against what is acceptable, and he has always done the opposite of what's expected of him. In a way, all of the behavior we've witnessed in the past has been a reaction to some outside influence. He tries to define himself by going against the grain. I really don't think his current behavior is any different. I think he's just tired of the current set of expectations, and working very hard to break it all apart. It's not the first time he's done this, and I'm sure it won't be the last. I only hope that he realizes this isn't working the way he wants it to, and puts a stop to it.
Now they are no different than any of the other bands out there. What made them special to me is gone now.
Martha, I don't know how you can say that. MCR is like nothing else out there. You don't need to have a message to be something different and special. It's the feelings you get when you hear a song, listen to an amazing lyric or the energy you get from a live show that makes a band special and different.
So he cares more about the respect of a bunch of drunken piss heads than the people who have support him and would have always supported them.
In a way I can understand wanting them to like the band but changing who you are is not the way to do it. In the end you will have no respect from anyone.
One would also hope that you have changed your entire ethical beliefs because you found a better way, something to make you into a stronger person. And NOT because you got desperate and married into another group of people's beliefs.
Kapunua, you are always so over dramatic when it comes to Gerard.
Yes, maybe he's not the same person he once was but he's not acting like a 3 year old. I don't know where you get shit like that. You have no idea who he truly is or what he is going through. All you seem to do is judge judge judge.
I'm not trying to start a fight or anything like that because I have enough shit going on in my life that are way more important to stress about. But I have to say what I'm thinking before I explode.
But the message was part of it for me. There are other bands out there in that can do what MCR is doing with their music and stage performance the message is what made me notice them even more. What made me stop and look deeper into this band what made me respect them as people and not just a bunch of people on stage.
And don't get me wrong: MCR never taught me anything I didn't already know. I just thought it was awesome how they were leading this generation away from violence and towards acceptance.
But I guess that's just not "cool" anymore. Now it's all about having your hand down your pants and being "OMGx like SOOOOO HXC!!!"
I knew that he wasn't a hero. That he was just a boy/man struggling with his own life, his own issues, his own demons, his own addictions, his own insecurities.
Do you know what though? It didn't stop me from believing that he could be.
Kapunua, you are always so over dramatic when it comes to Gerard.
Yes, maybe he's not the same person he once was but he's not acting like a 3 year old.
I've never seen an a mature adult randomly thrown his friends down and throw his own vomit at people.
sdock10-
Excuse me but that was too impressive not to acknowledge. I actually said "exactly" out loud when I read it.
Better let it out magic pie.
*has visions of The Hives 'Tick, Tick Boom'in head*
AIP, been lurking?
sdock10 said...
I knew that he wasn't a hero. That he was just a boy/man struggling with his own life, his own issues, his own demons, his own addictions, his own insecurities.
Do you know what though? It didn't stop me from believing that he could be.
November 11, 2007 10:43 PM
This is what I'm talking about. I knew that these people were only human but with the thing that they were saying they could be so much more.
Anon @ 10:13 I heard what you are saying and I'm trying to come up with a rebuttal but I can only focus on one thing at a time.
Really? I've seen that stuff happen often. It's called getting out of control because you are lost and confused and don't know who you are. It's also called depression. Sometimes people do shit that they don't want to do, but they can't help it.
He needs help, not someone calling him a child every 5 seconds.
SDOCK, you and I seem to be on the same playing field tonight.
I stopped looking at rock starts like they were heroes/gods a long time ago.
I see them as messed up fuckers like the rest of us. And like you, I always hope that in the end, they'll find a way to happiness and a good life.
so I´ll go to bed now, it´s late... see you guys tomorrow :)
^Every five seconds? You just accused me of hyperbole. El Oh el.
AIP,
Thank you so much.
Every now and then I spout off something memorable.
You know what guys? Fuck it, I like Gerard. I like it that he's fucked up in the head just like I am. It's just that I wish that he would do better at overcoming it than I do. Is that so bad?
pickled possum, that song is AWESOME!
“andrea said...
AIP, been lurking?”
Observing, dear. ; )
Then Magic Pie, we're saying the same thing, too> The dude needs help. YOu just don't like the way I'm saying it. And to that, all I can say is, Oh well. Sucks to be you reading one of my posts, doesn't it?
Goodnight Pixie and hello aip.
Mp it seems that the people around him are not willing to do either call him a child or offer him help.
Ok so I was over-exaggerating, but you do that as well so we're even.
In almost every Mayo blog since this all started you've always had something to say about how he's acting like a child and you act like you are some all knowing mother hen. You are not.
Maybe that's not what you intended but that's what I see.
kapunua said "And to that, all I can say is, Oh well. Sucks to be you reading one of my posts, doesn't it?"
Wow...and you say Gerard is the child? hmmmm...
Goodnight my pixie chum.
Sweet dreams.
have a good night, Pixie!
Amen, SDock!
Yes, it's a good one alright, magic pie. Love the way it drops to the bass breakdown "ssshhhaake it".
Have a good day/ night all. I am seriously needing to go for a run and shake off this blog sized butt that mayo is causing.
Apologies for awful departing image.
hahaha have a good one, Possum! I went to the gym this morning to try to work off this Mayo butt!
Maybe that's not what you intended but that's what I see.
Yeah, like I said, sucks for you. If you expect me to change how I write because it bugs you, well then you're just being silly.
Have a good run PP see you later.
See you later possom.
*claps hands over ears and starts rocking*
Stop arguing. This is doing my head in.
Don't you understand a person in my condition needs quiet.
Kapunua said...
Maybe that's not what you intended but that's what I see.
Yeah, like I said, sucks for you. If you expect me to change how I write because it bugs you, well then you're just being silly.
And that is why you are single.
Incidentally MP, your tone has annoyed me from the beginning as well, and in fact there are a few people on here who occasionally make me roll my eyes. But have I ever felt the need to attack them over their convictions, or over the way in which they express them? Well, that just has never been worth it to me. Thanks for being the first, though.
I'm not expecting you to change, Kapunua, but I am going to call you out.
You have all this shit to say about Gee but you can't take it when people have something to say to/about you.
You get so angry about how Gerard is haning around with people who are intolerant but you are just as bad. The intolerance that you type here everyday is upsetting to no end.
So no, don't change at all, because I think people should just be themselves. Yeah, I don't like what you write and I do choose to not read it usually. But I'm not telling you to change.
I'm just letting you know that not everyone here thinks that you are amazing crusader.
And with that, I'm done. Keep saying what you like to me, I won't be responding.
And that is why you are single.
LOL. Right, because any girl who has strong opinions and is not in a relationship, it's because she's a bitch. Well done, anon.
And hey--kudos to you for signing in. That takes balls, yo.
Good evening Mayo.
Good evening everyone.
So you passed by yesterday?
You should have popped in for a cuppa.
And a good talking to.
Yeah, yeah, I know, metaphors. Can't you think of something else?
Look, we both know you use this place to sort through your feelings and thoughts. We are a bonus, adding little inputs and advice.
At the end of the day you know what you have to do, so what are you waiting for?
Permission from us?
It's your life, we are just trying to point you in the ' long-lasting ' direction.
Just decide, okay?!
Oh and with regards to this...
He finds it difficult that the crowd he most desperately wants to impress believe him to be the lowest of the low musically.
Have you ever watched the crowd with Bowling for Soup?
Everyone loves them.
And the reason why is this.... they don't pretend to be anything other than what they are.
Stop hiding behind uniforms and banners and just play some music, be who you really are.
You'll find your life is so much easier.
"LALALALAA I AM NOT LiSTENING!" Okay, you do that, then. Probably better for both of us.
Well done with the anonymous thing there, too.
anon, now that's going a little too far.
Oh, come off it.
Hello gs how are you today?
Ok, so I said I wasn't going to respond but I will say this:
I can't believe that you would think that I was the anon that said that to you. I may not like the things you say but I wouldn't say something like that to you.
My whole life I have been called a bitch and people have said similar things like that to me because of my strong opinions. It always hurt me. So I would never say something like that to you.
In the end, I just needed to let out what I was feeling. I wasn't trying to attack, just to let you know that I don't agree. That's all.
Ladies, ladies
Let's calm down. We all have very strong opinions and feelings, but there is no need to call each other out.
You guys can just agree to disagree...
maybe?
possibly?
not a chance?
OK, well I tried.
I love both of ya'll, but that doesn't help here does it? No?
Fuck, I'm all out of options.
unless....Wait, I still have rope. I will tie the both of you together and make you sing songs until you laugh and make up.
[Rolls eyes at the continued arguing]
Is this really worth it, guys?
This is exactly what all those anons want to see. Way to hand it to them on a silver platter.
It's always okay to express an opinion and disagree with someone else, but the personal attacks are taking it too far. When we start striking out at each other, it makes this an unsafe place for sharing openly and honestly. Is that really what you want?
Take a step back for a moment and think about it. All of it.
hello GS sweetie, how are you?
Hello Martha, I'm fine thankyou.
And yourself?
* feels as if she is in an English comedy where there is a battle going on and she still indulges in polite conversation *
I have no problem dropping things, that's why I said I wouldn't respond. I held a lot in for months and I just wanted to say something about it, just once, and leave it at that.
I was not that other anon. I don't say things like that to people. I know what it's like to have that said to me.
Thanks SDock...as usual you are the voice of reason here in a land of chaos.
GS,
Lovely words.
Can we find our corner and inhale the blog together?
Hello Miss T, I'm much better today thankyou. And you?
^Which is precisely why I have never personally attacked anyone here, even if I disagreed with them--which I often do. But once someone does it to me, well then that does sort of change my stance. ^_^
GS,
nice weather we're having for the time of the year don't you think?
Understood and not taken lightly, Andrea.
I never meant it as an attack...unfortunately, things escalate and with two strong minds and opinions, shit can get out of hand.
Yes please SDock, I think that would be MOST acceptable.
Anyone else want to inhale to block out the sound of smashing crockery?
Group dynamics are really interesting here. As in any group you usually find someone who is jealous of attention others receive and will resort to put downs/bullying tactics. It is a sign of very low self esteem. People should be allowed to express opinions without fear of childish retorts. Therefore Kapunua, carry on as you are-you are a major contributor with always something valid to say.
Martha, the weather is actually quite nice in south western Canada as well. I actually drove with my windows down today!
Though now that I said that, it will probably snow next week.
Thanks, Magic Pie.
Usually I am the voice of crazy insanity in this blog. It's a nice change. I might try and stick with it.
Remember guys and you too, Kapunua,
Faith, Hope, Love
K, I know those words make you want to vomit, but awwh come on, I got nothing here, so just humor me.
Indeed Miss T, I'm rather dubious as to how the winter will pan out, we have been rather spoilt.
Err, thank you very much, anon. I do wish you'd sign in as well, but either way, thank you. No worries, nothing I say (or how I say it) will change--at least never because of another person.
Are you the she-wolf anon?
Sdock, there's a song I'd love to share with you. Might I link to it? Only because you continuously quote from it, and I can tell you with 99% surety that you have never even heard it. ^_^
I'm fine Gs and I agree with you comment. The one day I decide to let go and this is what happens.
Hellloooo?
Where'd everyone go?
Anon? Are you she-wolf anon?
Oh, there you are :)
Which comment Martha?
GS, I think we're all still here...just taking a few breaths and such ;)
I'm here GS,
I'm just keeping my head down in case a stray punch gets thrown my way.
Waiting for the air to clear, as it were...
Hello Magic Pie, feeling better now? :)
Thank ya'll for all the happy b-day's!
Ooops, I almost typed d-day. Wow. That's scary.
Yay, I get to celebrate for 2 days. SS, anon, someone, Mayo, I'm waiting on ya'll. Mayo, why don't you tell us a story. One about the fair princess and her birthday celebration. That would be WAY sweet. Won't hold my breath for that one either.
Okay anyhoo,
I don't necessarily think calling him a child helps. Not that he is acting like an adult either. I don't know what I'm trying to say. People with addictions and behavioral issues shouldn't be classifed as children. He has a problem. He has many problems. We all are aware of that. I know in the past I have probably "pasted" judgement on him and made jokes myself, but lately I have been trying to catch myself. He needs help. Real help. Not judgements. I'm sorry but that's the truth.
As far as the message goes, yeah it's been compromised. Oh well. Messages change everyday. What they need to realize is honesty means more to this group of people than anything. Kind of like okay, we had a message, we screwed up, now this is what we are trying to say. Not just "fuck it, nevermind". Ya know? Don't know if I'm making any sense or not. Oh well, it's my b-day already in some places so fuck it! I get to say what I want to!
Muwahahaha!
GS, yes and no.
Glad that I finally got stuff out, but now I'm feeling really warm and sick.
I guess it's just what you have to expect when you let strong emotions out.
How the heck are YOU this evening?
Ah Miss T, Shall I pour?
Andrea, hello, would you care to join a pair of Brits in a cup of ' pretend we're not here ' ?
feels as if she is in an English comedy where there is a battle going on and she still indulges in polite conversation *
November 11, 2007 11:14 PM
That one
S&V20, Happy Birthday, darling!
You and I are less than 1 month apart in age. I turned 30 a couple weeks ago.
Smoke and Venom, I agree with a lot of what you said about Gee's behaviour. I think I defend him a lot of the time because my boyfriend suffers from depression. He goes back and forth a lot with his emotions and he can act very childish. The sad thing is that he knows that he's doing things that are wrong and destructive, but he doesn't know how to stop himself. It's very hard to see someone you love so much going through that kind of torment.
You know they need help, THEY know they need help...but it's takes them a lot to go get it.
I smiled.
Happy Birthday!!!!!
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